JULY
1 July 2015 Wednesday
The Long Hot Summer is in full swing. I saw a
picture of the Matrons of Mayhem on the cover of something in all their campy
glory. I have weird friends....I am so lucky. I started watching Big Brother
today. It’s my summer guilty pleasure. I have watched it since it first came
on. In the news the Utah Pride Center
announced that the Mormon Church has for the first time made a contribution to
the Center. They said the $2500 contribution will be used by the Pride Center
for its homeless and low-income youth program. Jesus must be returning and it’s
the end of the world and Mormons want to get on his good side I suppose
2 July 2015 Thursday
Levon and I went to lunch at Café Rio and he
told me all about what is going on with him. He’s got his temporary driver’s
license now and he said his asylum case should be heard this August. He’s
totally pissed with Dave Robinson who is running for Mayor although I can
hardly believe that! Levon had been his
web page manager but just quit because as always Robinson was screwing with
paying him for the work. Heard little side bits about Biskupski meeting with
Robinson to talk him out of running fearing he’s split the Gay vote and she
started shouting at him after he had riled her up. I guess Jim Dabakis and Dave
had a talk to about him dropping out. While I am not a Jackie fan, I think it’s
incredibly stupid for Dave to run since he has no political machine backing
him. and Kyle Daniels wanted to come over this evening to fuck. So I cleaned
house and changed the sheets on the bed. He came over about 7 and stayed until
almost 9 because Alan wanted him home by nine. So we went straight to the bed.
What else are there to do on these hot
100 degree days? I can't believe that Ronnie Gilbert died on June 6 and I never
saw it on any of my friends FB posts! One of the greatest folk singers ever,
she sang with the Weavers as a contralto with Pete Seeger, Lee Hays, and Fred
Hellerman and then had a career of her own. Holly Near said Ronnie Gilbert gave
women permission to sing at the top of their lungs. In 2004, she married her
partner of almost two decades and her manager, Donna Korones, when then-Mayor
Gavin Newsom temporarily legalized gay marriage in San Francisco. So sad to
learn of the passing of an American icon and I didn't even know it. She was 88
years old. I missed the Womyn Music of the 1970's and 1980's. Holly Near, Joan
Armatrading, Meg Christensen, Chris Williamson, Tret Fure, Diedre McCalla,
Margie Adams and all of the wonderful voices from Olivia Records. It always
appealed to me more than the Gay Disco and club music. Struck a chord with
me... well Luci Malin once said I was an honorary lesbian after being a guest
speaker at the NOW conference held in SLC on why Gay men should be feminists. I
cultivated my love of Womyn's music from Becky Moss when I was her co-host on
KRCL's Concerning Gays and Lesbians from 1987-1994 a weekly local radio
program. We always started the program with Gay affirming music that you would
never hear on regular radio stations. We had most of these albums at the old
Utah Stonewall Center to be checked out. When the place brusquely closed in
1997 most of our collection was lost as were so many precious books like 1st
edition of Well of Loneliness and a complete bound set of the Ladder the first
Lesbian publication from the 1950's. I tried to save what I could from the
archives I had created but I was shut out and threatened to have the police
called on me if I interfered with the trashing of the archives. That was one of
the darkest periods of my life. Assimilationists do not care that we had a
history. Today I was shocked to hear from Levon today that Dave Robinson is
running for Mayor of SLC! So there are two Gay people running in the 2015 Mayor
Race Dave Robinson and Jackie Biskupski... That has to be a first. This is the
same Dave that has taken such advantage of Levon financially and has
manipulated him so much for almost a year and a half! Someone wrote on his web
page-.”Dave the jackass - Dave Robinson is a complete fake–from his predatory
activities on homeless youth providing drugs for sexual favors, too his
fraudulent consulting business which has never yielded results for those he
fleeced while promising inside access to government solely because he wears his
brand of queer on his sleeve. This man’s entire list of lifetime
accomplishments could be written on the inside of a cheerio–that is if you
discount how he drove his own father to a heart attack and tried to destroy his
own family in Highland, Utah. He’s been escorted out of police stations, banned
from his own family reunions and former roommates detail his predatory activity
with homeless boys and youth. Everything about his man-life is alarmingly
improper!”. Well I have no respect for him for sure.
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Luci
Malin Well, yes! I miss that era. It was a very special culture that empowered,
gave shape to a vast hidden community of lesbians over the USA , Canada and
indeed worldwide. We had our own language, mores, ways of recognizing each
other, etc. This 40th Michigan Women's Music Festival (the mothership) is the
last one. The other all lesbian music festivals are phasing out too. Such is
the power of assimilation.
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Edgar
Ben Williams Something lost but nothing gained.
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Roland
Ron Holmgren I had a famous BYU coach as my junior high gym teacher. I am still
scared at how he treated us if we were not one of the elite jocks. He might
have been a great football coach, but he was a lousy gym teacher. And a lousy
person.
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Edgar
Ben Williams Most of mine were awful but my 7th grade teacher was the first
that I fantasized about LOL because I had female teachers in grade school.
Something about his wearing tight shorts, hairy legs, and once in a while you
could see his armpit hair LOL
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Roland
Ron Holmgren I didn't know you were a famous radio star. One of these days,
we'll have to compare notes. I was a little white boy on an all-black station.
The history of gay people in the country and Utah must be preserved at all
cost. It is a shame that the people who destroyed records, etc. didn't have the
foresight to do this. One of the old center was a favorite of mine was with the
limited resources to get gay books, etc. they have a remarkable selection you
could check out. I remember one time I was visiting, a mother and a her gay son
were looking for resources to help her and him. I remember how the librarian
spent time with them recommending books and just talking to them. Here was a
mother and son trying to navigate the rocky road of coming out, acceptance and
understanding. I think they did OK because the librarian really cared.
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3 July 2015 Friday
4 July 2015 Saturday
5 July 2015
6 July 2015 Monday
I sent off four letters today to Kyle. This is
one I wrote today
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Dear
Kyle, I hope you are well and keeping cool. Last week it was in the hundreds
and I could not keep my flowers from burning up. Oh well. My tomatoes are
starting to ripen and some will be ready this weekend. I am going in Wednesday
for a colonoscopy. Haven’t had one in about 5 years and last time the doctor
said I should go in and have things checked up every 3 years because they found
a couple of polyps back then. I would have gone in sooner but my co-pay is $500
and it’s hard to justify paying that much just to put something up my butt.
This will be the last time I do it, I think, because at 64 who cares? I’ve
survived measles, chicken pox, appendicitis, nearly being shot in a robbery,
and blood poisoning. Somehow I made it through the worse of the AIDS epidemic
unscathed only to live with survivor guilt, and now I have diabetes. Last I
heard no one gets out alive but enjoying the journey, laughing, loving, crying,
and trying to do some good whether its leaving children behind, or art, music,
theater, a building, a philosophy or feeding the poor, is the most we can ever
hope for. Eat you roughage. I wanted to
share this from Stephen Colbert that I thought was funny and poignant. "History
moves fast. It’s hard to believe that gay Americans achieved full
Constitutional personhood just five years after corporations did." Well
the Southern States got a spanking from federal courts. those who were still
resisting the law. Damn neo Confederates. Some county officials are resigning
because their “Christian” beliefs won’t let them “do unto others as you would
have done unto you.” What radical liberal said that anyway? With marriage equality here I began to think
about what it was like when I openly identified as a Gay man 30 years ago.
Thirty years ago there was no LGBTQ construct. There barely were any openly Gay
and Lesbian identified people in Utah. Oh there were tons of homosexuals but I
dare say just a few hundred Gay identified people. There were no allies either.
They only "allies" we had were those important women in our lives who
we identified as "fag hags". They were Gay men's most staunch allies
back then. Times have changed. Always do good. You never know how your actions
may impact the lives of others; but every so often you get lucky like I did and
someone will tell you. Many decades ago we Gay people had to heal ourselves
from the negativity constantly hurled at us. In Salt Lake City this was
especially true. I knew before we could be a strong enough people to fight for
our rights, we first had to love ourselves enough to believe that we were
worthy of those rights. The times called for support groups, self-therapy
groups, and consciousness raising groups...places to go to know that you were
not alone. All the groups I created or were involved in back then had but one
purpose and that was to bind up broken hearts and liberate the captives. And no
group of people were more broken hearted and rejected or captive to false
premises then Gay people during the AIDS crisis. Wasatch Affirmation,
Restoration Church, Married and Divorce Gays and Lesbians, Unconditional
Support, Beyond Stonewall, the Sacred Faeries, the Utah Stonewall Historical
Society all were created by me to celebrate being Gay and to build self-esteem
to people whose self-hatred was destroying them. Marriage equality could never
have happened if the early activists did not change the hearts and minds of Gay
people first. We had to prepare ourselves before we could change the hearts and
minds of others. I've always been proud of the “out activists” here in Utah who
I am grateful to have known, who plowed the soil, sowed the seeds from which
this harvest of marriage equality could emerge. We are harvesting the fields
that many have labored in for so many years. Many of whom never lived to see
the fruit of their labor. Steve Brackenbury was a 23 year old divorced Gay man
when he first came to one of my groups. He was from Spanish Fork and actually
had been a drama student of Charles Frost back then. Small world. I always said
Mormons are a small world but Gay Mormons are even a smaller world. He wrote me
this: "Even though I have not heard your voice in the last 27 years I
"hear" you every day through your posts and commentaries. I am so
proud of what you have achieved in your lifetime and grateful that I had the
good fortune to meet you when I was coming out. With the hindsight of my older,
wiser self I have come to realize that I have one regret and that is not having
stayed put in Utah, surrounded by the friendships that I had made and would
most have assuredly strengthened. I never again found the community in
California that I had in Utah. Of course, I was young and impulsive and had
found love and that makes you do some fairly bold things. Whenever you post
pictures of your Sunday dinners and talk about the friends you had over, I feel
a pull towards the Salt Lake Valley. You, sir, have become for me an example of
what it means to live life fully and as a tireless hero. The events of the past
few years came about as a direct result of your contributions and you made a
difference. That really is something". I wrote him back “I don't believe I
am a hero however I do believe in the saying "you love who you serve"
and I love this community and those who brought marriage equality to America by
plowing the fields and sowing the seeds in a desert, watered by our tears, to make the desert bloom.”
We are all pioneers in our own way. Well is official. I am a socialist.
I signed up for Social Security. I
applied for Social Security the Monday after visiting you. I have been paying
into it since I was 17 years old. God Bless Franklin Delano Roosevelt and curse
to hell Republicans who want to dismantle it. The SS fund would be solvent if
not dipped into for other projects...same with government pensions. Republicans
used these funds as private piggy banks and then holler it’s too expensive when
it’s time to pay up. The Supreme Court ruled last Monday in June in another
split decision that independent commissions can draw congressional electoral
districts instead of just state legislators. Will that ever happen in Utah?
Well after June 26th I believe in Miracles, the kind of miracles that says,
“God helps them first who helps themselves”. There has been a lot of states
trying to pull this “religious liberty” shit so they void issuing marriage
licenses to Gays and discriminate against anyone they want. Religious liberty
means to me that if you use your religion as an excuse to not to do your
job, if you are a public servant and are
paid by taxes, you have the liberty to quit and find another job. If you use
your religion to discriminate not only are you in violation of the 1st
amendment... Your values are screwed up... If a Muslim wanted to stop 5 times a
day to pray and not do his job is that religious liberty? If a Jehovah Witness
would rather see their child die then have a blood transfusion is that
religious liberty? Why is it all of a sudden religious liberty is so damned
important? Because it's aimed at Gay people.
Religious liberty is simply code for: we hate you but we aren't to blame
because it's our religion not us. In the 1960s “states’ rights” was code for
keeping black people in their place. I would like to think Religious Liberty
would be about freedom to love not freedom to hate...and people should not kid
themselves , if you can't treat people
equally- you hate them. There is some assclown in the state legislature who is
drafting a bill to get the state out of issues marriage licenses all together!
Now that is some serious bigotry shit. If that to happen people in Utah would
have to flock to Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming or Colorado like they do to gamble, to
be legally married. Well I know by now
that you heard that Boyd K Packer died on July 3rd. Non Gay people, especially Mormons, cannot
understand the vitriolic reaction that Gay Mormons and just plain Gay Utahns
had upon hearing the news. Mormon allies are bemoaning the comments made
against the dead. They saw him as an Apostle of love while we viewed him as an
Apostle of hate- directed at us. His protestations that he loved all of
“Heavenly Father’s children” rang hollow after 40 years of debasing and
smearing us with his rancorous comments. The chilling affect his words had on
Gay people especially the youth was horrendous enough but as a “general
authority” his pronouncements “over the pulpit” caused many LDS parents to
abandon the natural affection they should have had for their children. Where do
people think all these homeless Gay youth in Utah come from? LDS homes of
course. Accusing the love and affection that Gay people have for one another as
being akin to being the most serious sin next to murder has damaged generations
of Gay youth. Packer was unable to accept that sexual orientation was innate
and not chosen and therefore was unwilling to be a shepherd to the LDS Church’s
Gay flock. Better to cast them away and warn against them as being infectious.
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This
is from Duane Jenning director of SL Affirmation and so are some of the more
tame comments- “My thoughts and prayers go to the family, but I'm not going to
ask if we should forgive Stalin, and Hitler, and Mao, and the Catholic popes
who instigated the crusades, or the Mormons leaders (including Brigham Young
and the Mt Meadow Massacre) And all the forgivers will just have to forgive me
for being angry at the hate mongering, anti-Christ Boyd KKK Packer and all of
his enemies of the church. For Gayle Ruzicka, and the Sutherland Institute and
the hateful Republican anti-constitutionalist in Utah - thank God/dess she saw
the need to take BKP to her bosom. The 1993 BYU Education address, about the
enemies of the Church, is his crowning glory – “feminist, intellectuals,
homosexuals and single moms”. Since he was involved with Genesis (African
Americans), he had maybe enough experience to not include "people of
color." Ding, dong, the witch is dead....... the wicked witch . . . He was
just a man! Driven, conflicted, occasionally inspired, but mostly wrong, trying
to cover up his prejudice in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I believe I'm a little
further along the eternal path . . . but?
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Kathleen Roberts Kerby Thank you for sharing
your point of view. I had no idea this was happening. Easy to not see when
you're not the victim of abuse.
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Duane Jennings and I should add. . . back in
my college days I realized that if I was defending the LDS church, I was
defending the Catholics, and Jews, and Protestants, and Muslims and Buddhists,
etc. And if I was condemning the Catholics, I was equally condemning the
Mormons and all the others. I came to understand that God/dess works with all
people of faith, and non-faith, today, yesterday and tomorrow and to put my
faith in God, and not "the arm of flesh." God Bless Brother Packer
and heal the Church and all Churches of the sexism, heterosexism and
homophobia, among other issues that plague the institutions.
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Edgar
Ben Williams Packer was a product of the 1950's when homosexuality was not only
a perversion but subversive...next to communism; homosexuality was seen as the
greatest threat to America. That is why Eisenhower issued an executive order to
prevent gay people from holding government jobs. This warped perspective was
shaped by David O McKay anti-gay views and Ezra T Benson's insane views on
civil rights as being a communist plot ... The only one more homophobic than
Packer was Spencer Kimball... Thank God Packer croaked before becoming a
prophet which would have imbued his hatefulness with the shroud of Devine will.
I only hope Monson can hang on till Oaks croaks
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Greg
Allen Isn't Nelson next in line? He's been anti-gay in his conference remarks
too. Holland might be our best hope, but not if he's like his son who has been
publicly anti-gay very recently as a sitting university president!
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Edgar
Ben Williams Nelson is 90 also so hoping he “hies to Kolob” soon... Sadly
Dallin Oaks is only 82 and comes after Neilsen... but they will drop like
dominoes until they hit “kiss ass David Bednar” who is only 63 a year younger
than me LOL
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Greg
Allen Christofferson might be the best hope for radical change. I heard
recently that he has a gay brother.
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Duane
Jennings that's what the trib says today - Nelson is next in line. I don't pay
enough attention to know. But Christofferson is like #11 in line, now 9 with
Perry and Packer gone.... it will be 20 years before he could become prophet.
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Greg
Allen I didn't know he was that far down. I would say you never know, but these
old rich fools seem to live to be 90 almost without exception!
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Duane
Jennings per their website: President Boyd K. Packer, L. Tom Perry, Russell M.
Nelson, Dallin H. Oaks, M. Russell
Ballard, Richard G. Scott. Robert D. Hales, Jeffrey R. Holland, David A.
Bednar, Quentin L. Cook, D. Todd Christofferson, Neil L. Andersen Of course the
top two have transitioned to the next world.
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Greg
Allen With two openings, it's another opportunity to finally call a non-white
to the 12. I'd like to see that.
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Duane
Jennings Not all of the people who came of age in the 40s and 50s were rabid
homophobes like Boyd K - yes McCarthyism and the red scare affected many
people, with its slanderous pinko-commie, homophobic crap, but not everyone
bought it. If Boyd K was as sincere and inspired a man as so many declare, he
would have overcome. But he didn't.
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Bing
Young Duane, in your line up list of seniority, don't you have to plug the two
in the first presidency back into to whatever spot they held before leaving to
work with the President? Though I don't know what that line up would be.
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Greg
Allen That's true, but they are both after Holland in seniority.
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Bing
Young How old is Holland? Oaks is only "middle aged" in this
group--seems chances are good that he is the survivor of those more senior than
he, looking down the road 5-10 years. Even though Nelson is 90 (was born within
the same month as BKP I think), he is
supposed to be in pretty good health--I guess for a while now it is now a
question of whether he or Monson goes first. I hear Monson is having some
health problems--do you know if they are mobility related, illness related or
possibly dementia related. Maybe there is some hope for Dallin Oaks if he does
outlast the rest. He went into BYU as president in the early 70s and sort of
cleaned things up and made a university out of it and stopped all of the spying
on professors suspected of being communists or socialist or Democrats by
specially selected faculty of the religion department. I had a couple of profs
at BYU who had once been on Ernie Wilkinson's watch list and had had files kept
on them. (This is the same lovable Ernie that, in a devotional in the 60s,
invited any student with homosexual tendencies to please ask for a tuition
refund and leave, as he didn't want the campus "contaminated" with
their presence) Some unflattering comments Oaks made about BKP, given privately
to Steve Benson back in the 90s, were blurted out by Benson to the press (he
didn't stay in the Church much longer), really embarrassing and angering
Oaks--but it was a rare insight into the personality dynamics of the 12--if
true anyway. And if true, it would suggest that Oaks and BKP were not in sync
on everything.
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Greg
Allen As Edgar Ben Williams mentioned above and perhaps could elaborate on, it
would not be beneficial for those on the side of LGBT equality for Oaks to be
prophet. He is not gay friendly. Holland
is 73 I believe and Oaks has to be at least 85.
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Bing
Young Well Greg Allen, I would wonder if any of them is really "gay
friendly", as we understand it. If they were, how could they ever have
been promoted to where they are now? The "New Apostle Selection
Committee" has to have had BKP on it for the last 30 or more years with an
absolute veto power--he presumably wouldn't have agreed with the appointment of
anyone who was "soft" on this "crime", outwardly anyway, or
the issues of most concern to him. But
remember that Michail Gorbachev also came from the USSR's most inner sanctum of
power--and if he had ever hinted at what he might later do as leader, he
probably would have been thrown in the Gulag. Nor would Spencer Kimball have
ever been made an apostle had his recommending committee in 1943 ever figured
that he would one day usher out the black priesthood ban, which would have been
inconceivable to the leaders in 1943. We won't ever know for sure what they
will do or be like until they are king and can't be threatened any more. That
is why I don't think you can necessarily go literally by their printed words
out there or conference addresses. Look at their personality characteristics
and their history before being on the Board. Spencer Kimball may, in print,
have said a lot of hard things about homosexuality too--maybe equal to BKP. But
if you were ever in the presence of the man, it was hard to miss how kind and
warm and loving he was--he had a light about him practically. That was not
something people typically noted when being around BKP. Oaks btw, is 82 and was
made an apostle when Spencer Kimball was president. Kimball would have been
around 83 at the time of the 1978 announcement changing the policy with blacks
and the priesthood. To be honest, I don't know how hardened Oaks' views are
related to LGBT stuff--others probably know a lot more and follow this more
than me. But prior to becoming President of BYU, Oaks was a true published
scholar and intellectual outside of Mormondom, not someone who just got an
education PhD from BYU after becoming a church leader. I have no idea how he
would really turn out, but it seems like he might be one of the better hopes in
the near future if he lives long enough. And I think he probably has a lot of
respect and confidence from his peers and the membership at large if he ever
were to announce any revisions in the current policy.
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Edgar
Ben Williams Dallin Oaks is the author of the concept "lying for the
Lord". My time at BYU during the early 70s under Oaks was awful... Wiretapping,
purges, entrapment, witch hunts... Tried to destroy the credibility of Prologue
... I saw firsthand how mean he treated his 2nd wife in public... Can only
imagine what goes on at home.... Kimball was a fist in an iron glove...step out
of line and down came the hammer.
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Greg
Allen Thanks for your insight, Ben. I wonder if Oaks should also shoulder some
of the blame for the electroshock gay aversion therapy that went on at BYU in
the 70's? As long as the "brethren" see homosexuality as a wicked and
sinful choice, there is little hope for much change. Also, to answer an earlier
question, I have heard a rumor that Monson is suffering from dementia, but I
haven't heard that as fact. I had higher hopes that he could be an agent of
change as prophet, but his indifference has been disappointing. At least he
doesn't condemn from the pulpit, I guess....
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Bing
Young I attended in the late 70s and I was told that the purges and witch hunts
had happened under Wilkinson and that Oaks had put an end to it--that is my
recollection from the couple of faculty members who had been on the target list
and were very happy that the Wilkinson days were over. How much overlap
occurred between their administrations, I don't know. Oaks supposedly took over
in 1971. However, the electroshock stuff was evidently occurring while I was
there, though I had no knowledge of it at the time. The Church or BYU says that
was part of the behaviorist techniques standard in psychology and in use in a
lot of places at the time. Probably small consolation to those that went
through it. I don't know what Prologue was, but the magazine Dialogue was
founded by Oaks, according to Wiki, and was viewed as similar to Sunstone at
the time--though in the early 90s, BKP basically forced most of the faculty to
quit contributing and participating in Sunstone. I don't know about Dialogue.
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Edgar
Ben Williams Prologue, first called The Payne Papers, was an anonymous 1977
thoughtful rebuttal to BYU's Dr. Payne's assertions about homosexuals. It was
actually written by Cloy Jenkins and surreptitiously printed and distributed in
the church office building by Gays who worked there. It was later published
locally in the Open Door and nationally in the Advocate in 1978. Affirmation
finally published the Pamphlet under the title Prologue. The Church authorities
ordered Oaks to put together a committee to refute the arguments in Prologue
and actually tried to pawn off their rebuttal as an independent review from an
east coast university. Professor Bergen was the head of the committee and they
never could come up with a satisfactory reply to Prologue and so the committee
was abandoned after spending thousands of dollars. The sad thing is that Bergan
had a Gay son who committed suicide in the 1990's. Hate kills.
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Don
Brown Now he's finally learning the truth.
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Greg
Allen I am glad, however, that he lived long enough to see marriage equality
become a reality by this independence holiday!
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Nathan
Sourpuss I like that he lived just over a week after gay marriage was legalized
in the United States. Just long enough to let that soak in.
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Lane
Ray Alvey I'm tired of reading how loving and compassionate he was. He was an
evil man full of hate. I'm trying to remain neutral that he's gone. He was full
of contempt and hate for me and he never met me.
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Duane
Jennings I completely agree - and know two people who had him as a mission
president, one was an assistant to the press - he states the man would never
hug or kiss his sons. There's some sort of emotional, psychological problem
there. And several of the quorum referred to him as the Grizzly Bear. From what
I hear, he was compassionate with TBM's but not so much with others.
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Bing
Young Mormonism's Richard Nixon--complex, intelligent, paranoid, workaholic,
driven, cynical, arrogant, hurtful to enemies, arrogant, petty,
condescending--probably a fascinating character study if you didn't have to
actually work or have your life impacted by him. Ultimately a tragic character
to himself, his family, and his Church, which will sadly pay a high price for
his "service" for many years to come. "The evil that men do
lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones." RIP Mr. Packer--may
you eventually find some peace for your tortured soul and for the souls of the
thousands you hurt and betrayed.
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Lane
Ray Alvey Duane, what is a TBM?
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Duane
Jennings I've heard "true believing mormon" and "true blue
mormon." I know anyone reading this letter might be offended by
“insensitive” comments about someone that many LDS honored as a “man of God.”
But then they might not have had to clean up the damage he did for over 40
years among our folk. This man generated so much hatred because of the cruel
and slanderous thing he said over his life about Gay people. He would talk out
one side of his mouth how much he loved Gay people and then out of the other
utter bile that caused families to split and Mormon youth to despair and commit
suicide. He even advocated violence against Gay missionary companions. I once
heard him give a talk at BYU about trusting the General Authorities to guide
one through spiritual crocodile infested waters. "These spiritual
crocodiles can kill or mutilate your soul. They can destroy your peace of mind
and the peace of mind of those who love you. Those are the ones to be warned
against, and there's hardly a watering place in all of mortality now that is
not infested with them." Little did I know that he was one of the
crocodiles. Here are some of his gems “I have a hard time with historians
because they idolize the truth. The truth is not uplifting. It destroys.
Historians should tell only that part of the truth that is inspiring and
uplifting- Boyd K Packer 1994” and “[Church history] if not properly written or
properly taught, … may be a faith destroyer… The writer or teacher who has an
exaggerated loyalty to the theory that everything must be told is laying a
foundation for his own judgement… The Lord made it very clear that some things
are to be taught selectively and some things are to be given only to those who
are worthy. Boyd K. Packer 1981,” and “
There are some men who entice young men to join them in these immoral
acts. [homosexual acts] If you are ever approached to participate in anything
like that, it is time to vigorously resist. While I was in a mission on one
occasion, a missionary said he had something to confess. I was very worried
because he just could not get himself to tell me what he had done. After
patient encouragement he finally blurted out, 'I hit my companion.' 'Oh, is
that all,' I said in great relief. 'But I floored him,' he said. After learning
a little more, my response was 'Well, thanks. Somebody had to do it, and it
wouldn't be well for a General Authority to solve the problem that way.' I am
not recommending that course to you, but I am not omitting it. You must protect
yourself." -Boyd K Packer 1976”
I am, as I ever was, and shall ever be your friend Ben
7 July 2015 Tuesday
I gave some thoughts about the Gay Men’s
support group I want to start up. I want a name that will be catchy. The
Wasatch Maven Gay Men's group? What is a maven for heaven's sake? It's a
Yiddish word which means literally "one who knows." A Maven is also a
trusted expert who seeks to pass knowledge on to others. Who knows more about
being Gay men then senior Gay men? As Gay Baby Boomers now in our silver and
Golden years, often we are discarded rather than respected as if we have no
value to our community as much as the transitory nature of youth. As witnesses
and makers of the 20th Century Gay Rights movement we are the
"doyens" of our community but rarely are we treated as such. The
Wasatch Maven Gay Men group would purport to change this by bringing Gay Men of
the Baby Boomer Generation [1945-1964] together to share and celebrate our
common experience, heritage, and journeys. Our generation was the first to bust
the closet doors wide open however many of us have retreated into another type
of closet, one that isolates us from one another leaving many of us lonely for
companionship. The Gay Mavens would be a support group for those Senior Gay men
who wish to discuss, to share, and to associate with others who are of the same
tribe. It is for a group of Gay men who know what the hankie code was, who know
who Harvey Milk and Anita Bryant were, who know what GRID stood for, who
remembers the significance of Pink Triangles, ACT UP, and Queer Nation. It's
for Gay men who want to learn how to maneuver through all the issues of being
Gay Elders. We are the first generation to live as openly Gay Seniors and we
need to stick together as we have always done blazing the path for others to
follow. However This group is not simply a social organization, it is part
that, but more importantly we are a support group with the goal of nurturing,
healing and educating our senior Gay selves. What to expect. As seniors in Salt
Lake City's Gay men's community we should be respectful of each other's
experiences and opinions and while we hope to be engaging we certainly are not
a debate club. While we know most attendees will be on fixed incomes, we hope
to be a self-sustaining group and just raise enough funds each meeting by
passing a collection to raise rent money and for refreshment. The first
Wednesday Circle Meeting - a facilitated general peer discussion meeting of
topics relevant to aging Gay Men. The third Wednesday Information Meeting -
Guest presenters on various topics from experts on health issues, legal issues,
even Gay history When: the first and third Wednesday of the month Spring to
Fall 7:00-8:00 pm and Fall to Spring 6:00-7:00 pm Where: Central City Community
Center, SLC
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Benedgar
I rebranded this after discussing with Charles---- Opinions and Comments? GAY
MEN ALOUD Our generation was the first to bust the closet doors wide open only
to, as we age, retreat into a closet of isolation. Some senior Gay men are
lonely for companionship and hungry for the Gay energy. We are for you. What is
Gay Men Aloud? GMA is a bimonthly meeting for bringing together Gay men to-
make new friends, connect with old friends, discuss our concerns, listen to
experts on financial, legal, and health issues and have fun. Gay Men Aloud • Is
for bringing Gay Men of the Baby Boomer Generation [1945-1964] together to
share and celebrate our common experience, heritage, and journeys. • Is for
supporting those mature Gay men who wish to discuss, to share, and to associate
with others of our own tribe. • Is for helping Gay men maneuver through issues
of being Gay elders • Is for nurturing, healing and educating our senior Gay
selves by our peers • Is a volunteer, self-sustaining group with funds raised
going for meeting space and for refreshment. Gay Men Aloud When: 1st and 3rd
Wednesday of each month. The 1st Wednesday is a Circle Meeting - a facilitated
general peer. The 3rd Wednesday is an Informational Forum Meeting with guest
presenters. Time: Spring to Fall at 7:00-8:00 pm. Fall to Spring at 6:00-7:00
pm Where: Central City Community Center, SLC
·
Kent
Ben and Charles, for what it's worth, I really like the rebrand. Gay Men Aloud
has power and the pride we celebrate built into it. I love the concept of the
bimonthly meetings. They allow for the social (which I am looking for in a
group), sharing of information and an educational opportunities. I'm excited to
be a part if this and I'm willing to do whatever I can to make it a success for
our community. Thanks for including me in the process. Kent
·
Benedgar
Oh you will be included alright... fasten your seat belt. After I am done with
my colonoscopy tomorrow I will check put the CCCC [central city community
center] to see if that is a viable meeting space. I will ask Michael Aaron to
place an ad in the Q and I already have a GAY MEN ALOUD FB Group going that can
be tweeked and used for information for this group... There are 5 Wednesdays in
July and the 1st is already over and the 3rd is the 15th. Not sure if we can be
operational by the 15th so we could change to 2nd and 4th. However, I think
people have a tendency to remember more when it’s the 1st of the month ... so
perhaps we need to start in August and promote it this month?
8 July 2015 Wednesday
I heard that Charles Lynn Frost resigned from
SAGE. Not sure of the reason why but having to maneuver between the SAGE Board
and The Pride Center overlords that would be enough for anyone, even for
someone as passionate as Charles is and was about serving the aging LGBT
population, to throw up his hands and say I'm done. I don't know how anyone can
safely make it through the minefield of political correctness these days to
appease all the different agendas of the so called LGBT communities. Notice I
said communities because I don't believe we are a "community" if we
truly ever were. LGBT is about as effective as the Articles of Confederation or
the Austro-Hungarian Empire. I am a Gay Man and couldn't give a fig about
genderqueer politics any more than some care about Gay men. Oh well...I am out
of touch I suppose. So anyway that is why I think Charles is willing to put
some energy into this new Men’s group. I’ve asked Kent Scadlock to be a co-director
in this Men’s group so it will be the three of us responsible for getting it
off the ground until it takes off and I am sure it will. This is what I came up with for kind of a
mission statement. “GAY MEN ALOUD Our generation was the first to bust the
closet doors wide open only to, as we age, retreat into a closet of
isolation. Some senior Gay men are
lonely for companionship and hungry for the Gay energy. We are for you. What is Gay Men Aloud? GMA is
a bimonthly meeting for bringing together Gay men to: make new friends, connect
with old friends, discuss our concerns, listen to experts on financial, legal,
and health issues and have fun. Gay Men Aloud” Is for bringing mature Gay Men
together to share and celebrate our common experience, heritage, and journeys.
for supporting those mature Gay men who wish to discuss, to share, and to
associate with others of our own tribe. for helping Gay men maneuver through issues
of being Gay elders for nurturing,
healing and educating our senior Gay selves by our peers Is a volunteer, self-sustaining
group with funds raised going for meeting space and for refreshment. Gay Men Aloud When: 1st and 3rd Wednesday of
each month. The 1st Wednesday is a Circle Meeting - a facilitated general peer.
The 3rd Wednesday is an Informational Forum Meeting with guest presenters. Time: Spring to Fall
at 7:00-8:00 pm. Fall to Spring at
6:00-7:00 pm Where: Central City Community Center, SLC, I got a letter from
Kyle today dated the 2nd of July so I wrote him back.
·
Edgar
Ben Williams I am hearing some blame Charles for Valerie Larabee resigning from
the center which is a crock. If anything her terminating him when SAGE was the
most successful program at the center was just the catalyst for long brewing
discontent on how she ran the place and her disconnect from the community
except for the cash machines she could tap into. Well it takes a lot of money
grubbing to pay a $80,000 salary. How long has she been gone now and how many
people have quit the board and the center and where is all this transparency
that they touted. Have they even talked to the community about what they would
like OUR community center to be? I bet whoever every they choose for a new
executive director won't be making $80,000...and if they pick someone outside
our community who does not know our peculiar dynamics... heaven help them. ...
·
Courtney
Moser Petunia Pap Smear - So sorry to hear this news.•
·
James
Dabakis- This is sad.
·
Doug
White- Charles is the "SAGE Vision"! •
·
RB Ric • This is NOT good news. Charles Lynn
Frost has contributed so much to SAGE.
·
Babs
De Lay- He is the Sage. If I were the PRIDE center I would do everything I
could to beg him to return, pay him a great salary with benefits and crown him
the Sagest of all. But then the PRIDE center hasn't been known for making great
choices in the past few years. sign. I love you brother Charles! •
·
David
Andreason- Well-said, Ben--thank you. Sometimes the fight is not worth the
stress, especially when you find yourself knocking on cement doors. Charles and
I have talked at length about these issues last night even, and I know he cares
very much, but not at the expense of every other important thing in his life.
Our community is not in a good space right now, but it will be. Charles is wise
to step back, breathe, and regroup. He knows he is loved and I know he feels
the same way about his community....•
·
Kevin
Scott- One identified problem is that Charles had become the lightening rod in
the fight with the UPC - something blatantly unfair but nevertheless a
perception that becomes a reality. Knowing his past concerns, his weariness of
dealing with being the perception of the problem was getting old. Babs De Lay
is right, but that's not going to happen.
·
Kevin
Scott- Charles was only one of a number of vocal Valerie critics. I have no
idea why they continually shaft their most successful program. I blame ageist
issues to be honest. As far as hiring outside the community, they did that and
see how that worked out. They have been talking to the community, which is a
good thing, although they skipped June and like to post the meeting times
(which have been Friday nights #$%#$!!!) and posted just days before the
meetings. I continue to hold out hope that things will improve. •
·
Erick
Myers At the heart of political correctness is supposed to be respect for
everyone. Yet, in the application of political correctness, anyone with a
different point of view or who is not towing the line is marginalized,
demonised and booted out of the group. They are the opposite of respected. Not
a very inclusive way to do things, is it?
·
Dear
Kyle, I got your letter dated July 2nd today and I thank you for it. I hope
this letter will find you healthy and productive. I also hope you did something
special for the 4th of July, if nothing else reflecting on freedom and precious
it is. I doggy sat Alan Anderson and Kyle Daniels two dogs over the
weekend. So I had a house full and we
stayed all safe and snuggled in bed to keep them from being too frightened by
the battle zone going off in the neighborhood. Bombs bursting in air is right
and the only thing red in the dawn were my eyes from lack of sleep. I have just
been reading Evanovich’s Stephanie Plum bond enforcer series and watching Big
Brother. It’s my guilty pleasure and it’s not summer without it. Yes they have
to have the goofy effeminate Gay stereotype but that’s okay its entertainment.
They have a bisexual in Vanessa and a trans for the first time Audrey. What a
shit stirrer she is (and living up to that stereotype I might add LOL) They
always get rid of the obnoxious California airhead Surfer Dudes first off don’t
they. Did you see the episode with Kathy Griffin? I like Steve or Johnny Mac to
win. Anyway expect the unexpected. How is it that Julie Chen has looked the same
over the past 17 seasons? The horrible heat wave we had for over two weeks has
finally subsided with the past couple of days in the 80’s and some thunder
storms. I think the monsoon season is coming early. Too late for many of my
flowers. They could not take the blistering heat. Even poor Daisy was climbing
into the bath tub to lie on the cool porcelain to keep her belly cool. I turned the hot tub down to 80 but the heat
kept it up to about 99 anyways. I had my colonoscopy done today. The prep for
it is brutal when you have diabetes and can’t have anything but clear liquids
the day before and chugging down the solution that cleans you out is the worse. Michael Romero
took me down and picked me up because not supposed to drive afterwards because
of the anesthesia they give you. Had
just one polyp removed to be biopsied but other than that I was good to go.
They didn’t find any gerbils, ben-wa balls, light bulbs, or phallic
vegetables so I was happy. You wanted
more details on the LDS Church donation to the Pride Center. It was not
initiated by either Jim or the church. The board simply asked for a $2500
donation for their homeless youth program and the church complied. Heard that
the church would have given more if they’d asked for more. The donation is not
in cash but food from Welfare Square and is specifically targeted for the
homeless youth pantry. Heard some comments that it was the churches donation to
a Gay organization that caused Packer to drop dead. I don’t believe it. We all
know it was Gay Marriage. Can’t you just picture him throwing his hands up in
the air saying, “Take Me Home Oh Lord Take Me Home Now.” I finally convinced
Charles Frost to sign on to my vision of a support group for Gay Men. I think
he finally agreed because he resigned from SAGE. When he first told me he was
resigning he asked me not to say anything on Facebook and then yesterday he
called me and asked if I would post it on FB. He so passive aggressive, He
wanted me to be the messenger of bad tidings so he will get all the outpouring
of rage and sympathy. Actually he quit
because he is being attacked by the old dykes saying he’s the reason why
Valeria Larabee was booted from her position at the Pride Center. Also I think
he knows the Pride Center will not fund SAGE at the level they use to and SAGE
board members don’t have the guts to break away from the Center. I don’t have any more news to speak of. I
hope I didn’t over whelm you with the four letters I sent you. In your letter
you mentioned the concept of “abundance mentality.” I know that Stephen R Covey coined the term
and idea of having an abundance mentality in his 1989 self-help book The 7
Habits of Highly Effective People, which was all the rage among businessmen. If
I remember correctly an abundance mentality is the ideal that you believe there
are enough goods and successes in life to share with others. Everything is a
win, win. On the flip side he said in a “scarcity mentality” people think in
terms of winners and losers. If someone wins that means automatically you
lose. Charles was always telling me
about having an “Abundance Mentality” because you know he worked for Franklin
Quest Covey. I never quite understood what he meant being that I am an old
hippy. I just know that karma means you try to do as much good in this world as
you can and that material things are only illusions so don’t hang on to them.
In the universe matter is only condensed energy and energy can never be
destroyed. Your energy can never be destroyed. The energy we put into how we
treat each other is the true measure of success. It’s the only thing that
lasts. Maybe it’s just from being indoctrinated as a kid in the Church of
Christ but I believe in the old hymns that so resonated with me like “Love
Lifted Me”. Listening to my grandpa lead music thumping his foot as he sang in
his Tennessee drawl, “Each day I’ll do a golden deed to help someone who is in
need. My life on earth is but a span so I must do the best I can. Life’s
evening sun is sinking low, a few more days and I must go to meet the deeds
that I have done where there will be no setting sun.” I haven’t heard my grandpa sing that song in
over 35 years but I can still remember the life lesson. If being in prison,
with all its trials and tribulations, has helped you be introspective maybe
it’s a blessing. I know you will come out a better man than you went in. What
do the Mormons teach about the refining fire? That it burns away the impurities
to reveal what is gold? I believe your heart is golden and once this experience
is over the rest of your life can be spent on gathering up the things that
truly matter. Things that will heal your heart, bring joy to your soul, and
that will exalts your spirit. You and I were given the gift of being Gay. I
hope you will use that gift to be creative, to seek justice for the weak and to
have an abundance of love in your life. You are going to have a second chance
with your life when this is over. So many of my friends, younger than you, had
their lives cut short and never had a second chance. Time is a gift. Don’t
squander it on things of no consequence. Tell no more lies, ask for help, learn
something new every day and share it. I love you so more than I can say. I am, as I ever was, and shall ever be your
friend Ben
9 July 2015 Thursday
10 July 2015 Friday
I
went to the Central City Community Center to see what their schedule is and
whether they could accommodate us for a
bi monthly meeting for Gay Men Aloud. Charles suggested that we start in
September because people are more likely to be done with their summer trips and
such. It would also give us more time to plan and get the word out. I would
like to set up a meeting with Kent and Charles after the 24th to look at a
calendar, throw out ideas for peer discussion topics and what kind of speakers
do we want... or panels. Also if we are going to start in September then we
should start with a fall schedule of 6:00 pm and in March change to 7:00 pm . I
suppose we are
all
good with the name Gay Men Aloud. I like it because it means we are still
allowed to be ourselves and that we still have a voice no matter what our age
is.
·
Charles
Lynn I like the double meaning too. If we were to use ALLOWED, it would be
taken as elitist and we'd get a lot of grief from others, but ALOUD gives off
no such connotation.
·
Kent
I'm good with the September start date and the time. Hopefully, the Center can
accommodate our schedule. Let me know when you want to meet and
"brainstorm" ideas. I have an open schedule. Like I said before, I
love the name and agree with Charles's comment. Can't wait!!!
11 July 2015 Saturday
12 July 2015 Sunday
Me to Bill Poore. Do you want to go see Tab
Hunter film today? Charles, Doug, Alan
Anderson, Kyle and I are going and Alan
has another free ticket... It’s at 5:30
·
Bill
Thanks but will pass u guys should have fun
wear trench coats
13 July 2015 Monday
I asked Bill Poore if he wanted to go for a ride to get out of the city
tomorrow. He said sure so I am thinking about going to Morgan up Weber Canyon
·
Benedgar
Update... Charles and I were visiting the other day about meeting spaces. He
said he'd check out the Peoples Coffee and I'd check out St Mark’s Episcopal
church. The people Coffee had already committed their room and I went to St
Marks but I am unfamiliar with the church and couldn't find an open door or
where their main office is... So I emailed them a request telling them about
Gay Men Allowed and what they might charge for meeting space...I did go to the
Central City Community Center and while the scheduling person wasn't in that
day I did have some one show me the spaces available... The small one may work
for a while but it's kind of sterile I thought but for $15 should keep it in
mind... I also thought about asking Curtis Price pastor of 1st Baptist on 13th
if they have space to accommodate our group...both St Marks and 1st Baptists
are very Gay friendly... Kent we want to plan a meeting for the 3 of us to
discuss the group and plan out 3 months’ worth of events... We were thinking if
each of us picked a topic for a group discussion and then someone who could be
a guest speakers then it should not be too burdensome on any one of us... What
do you think and any ideas for a meeting space
·
Charles
Lynn Ben--The St. Mark's entrance you are going to want to use is in the rear
of the new addition. NOT the Cathedral. Park in the back (North side), and the
NW most door is the one that leads you into the building. Go directly down that
hallway and you will come to a semi-circular Information desk. They can guide
you from there. If not then go through one of the doors through the outside
patio to the East side because they have some administrative offices there as
well. Is the group Gay Men Aloud or Allowed as you wrote in the previous part
of this conversation? I think Aloud is best for the reasons I mentioned
earlier, Our voices still being relevant, heard, contributing, making a
positive difference, versus Allowed being perceived as elitist and excluding.
We don't want or need that argument at the outset of this group. Raw Bean
Coffee also has that great upstairs room, and they are very gay friendly. The
Bear Group meets there, (I am not sure which night of the week/day of month),
and the OWLS meet there on Sunday morning for the Thelma and Louise coffee
clutch. If we ask about Wednesdays it may be open, and the owner is very open
to LGBT customers. He knows they feed his business a lot. Just another
suggestion. The room is nice, not completely private from downstairs, but we
would not be overheard either, and the restrooms are upstairs as well.
14 July 2015 Tuesday
Bill Poore wasn’t feeling well today so we will
try later in the week.
·
Bill
Poore -The last three major post from the Pride Center have been about
Transgender.....I will send them another message telling them they are now the
Trans Center not the Pride Center.
·
Me-
Lol you old transphobe... You can redeem yourself by sucking Danes cock lol
wait that won't work! Lol
·
Bill
Poore -Just remembered one place I lived in San Diego, was like one door away
from what was called Hooker Alley, it was just down from University Ave, Hooker
hung out in the Alley waiting for Johns to drive down and pick them up....most
of them were Tran Hookers....
·
Me-That's
how they paid for their drugs and operations
·
Bill
Poore Most Hookers are pretty nice people, They just can’t get real jobs, you
would be surprised how little of them actually use drugs.....they might drink
some. Now the hustler boys that hung out
in Balboa Park they all used drugs, mostly meth....so cute , cheap as well, suck
their dicks for 30 bucks, I mean we are talking 18-25 year olds.....hot firm
body with big dicks.....if they had been using meth it was hard to get them
off, they loved you to suck them forever but they could shoot their loads, so I
would suck until my jaws got tired, then I would take them to a burger place
and buy them lunch....a lot of them became part of my tribe, and got them into
AA, NA or rehabs. Most of my young sponsees had hustled. It kept interesting that is for sure. I became like their mothers, really. I made decisions for them, fed them, did
medical things for them. laundry, police warrants, rehabs like Stepping
Stones. I put a lot of them into
Stepping Stones. I would be lying on the sofa and one of them would come in and
lay next to me and cuddle up...they needed mothering. I would pet them , kiss them on the
head...then of course feed them, they always wanted to shower, we kept the door
open and they would walk around naked in and out of the shower. my roommate
went crazy because he could not touch any of them....
·
Me
Gone are the days
·
HI,
My name is Kai Martinez the current director of the LGBT RC at University of
Utah. I understand that you are the go-to person when it comes to Queer history
in Utah, and the early days of LGSU at the University. The University of Utah
Pride Committee this year would like to feature a display of in the Union of
Utah's Queer history the first day of Pride Week October 5, 2015. If you are
open to it, I would like to speak with you about accepting an invitation to be
involved with this important display. I can be reach by email
kmartinez@sa.utah.edu or phone 801-581-4861. I hope to hear from you. Thank you
Kai
·
Benedgar
Hi I will glad to help in any way I can ... My phone number is 801 505 3459 or
benedgar51@yahoo.com... Michael Aaron always knows how to get a hold me too..,
sorry for this late response... I forget to check the other box for messages sometimes...
15 July 2015 Wednesday
I heard from Charles Frost that the Pride
Center finally selected a new executive director. How long has Ms Larabee been
gone now? Could it be that fiduciary concerns was an issue? I am of course
speculating because the center is as transparent as mud. I finished a column
for Lambda Lore just under the deadline... It’s on the formation of Gay
Liberation. I took a FB quiz of how much of a hippie am I. It said I was 89
percent hippie. I think I'd gotten higher score if I had long hair LOL...I was
more of a fringe hippy from 1967-1972...89 percent LOL... I've tie dyed, batiked,
made my own leather sandals and belts, been to love-ins, consciousness raising,
made a peace sign out of a sand mold, protested the Viet Nam war in peace
marches, wore leather head bands, took pottery making classes, read Kahlil
Gibran, Jonathan Livingston seagull, the Naked Ape, and Man's Search for
Meaning, and met Timothy Leary. I know the entire Soundtrack to Hair and the
only thing I never did was Hippie drugs like LSD, peyote, mushrooms or pot.
Although I knew John Griggs very well. He was the main distributor of
California gold on the West Coast. I helped make the teepees they lived in up
Laguna Beach Canyon LOL...He died at the end of July 1969 from an overdose of
bad mushrooms and left behind a new born baby he had named Full Buck Moon. I was
more interested I know now in the Faerie elements of hippiness not the
patriarchal bull shit that most of it was. Griggs death and the Manson murders
within a week of his death kind of soured the Flower Power image of Hippies for
me. Peggy Bon an activist All in Ogden died today. The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
has ruled that existing civil rights law bars sexual orientation-based
employment discrimination — a groundbreaking decision to advance legal
protections for gay, lesbian, and bisexual workers. “[A]llegations of
discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation necessarily state a claim of
discrimination on the basis of sex,” the commission concluded. The independent commission addressed the question
of whether the ban on sex discrimination in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act
of 1964 bars anti-LGB discrimination in a complaint brought by a Florida-based
air traffic control specialist against Transportation Sec. Anthony Foxx. The
ruling — approved by a 3-2 vote of the five-person commission — applies to
federal employees’ claims directly, but it also applies to the entire EEOC,
which includes its offices across the nation that take and investigate claims
of discrimination in private employment. While only the Supreme Court could
issue a definitive ruling on the interpretation, EEOC decisions are given
significant deference by federal courts.
·
Michael
Aaron To say Peggy Bon was a firecracker is an understatement. She worked hard
for everything she believed in. She delivered QSaltLake Magazines through Ogden
and refused any attempts to pay her. She worked tirelessly at the Ogden Outreach
Resource Centers, volunteered for campaigns and so much more. The world lost a
warrior for love.
·
Weston
Clark Of the too few people who stood by me and encouraged me when I stood up
against the Davis School District over their banning of the book, In Our
Mothers' House, Peggy Bon was there. What a huge loss to the world. Rest in
peace. ·
·
Charles
Frost-You want a scoop you can post about to piss off UPC. They are supposedly
announcing Marian Edmonds as their new ED either tomorrow of Friday. She
proceeded me at Outreach
·
Me-Well
I hope she runs the UPC better than she did Outreach LOL ... Should keep the
dykes happy to have another Lesbian running things...At least she knows Utah
·
Charles
Frost - She left the place with no 990's filed for 2 years, no charitable
solicitation permit, and told the board to hire 2 ED's myself and Rachel
Peterson, when they had practically no funds, enough to barely pay 1 ED.
OUTREACH let go of Rachel 2 weeks ago. All volunteer. Yes the lezzies love her.
Those that know her. She is not that well known in SLC, Ogden/Weber yes, but
not SLC. Just thought you might want to know. They have no funds, that's why
they have taken so fucking long to hire a local. My God.
·
Me-Well
that might be a plus for her then no baggage here
·
Frost-She
doesn't have the vision or the fundraising experience to turn that place
around. PLUS she gets old Beano Solomon to answer to.
·
Me-Well
I bet there will be a new round of fund raising to pay salaries..
·
Frost-
I'm sure. But the funds have dried up. That building has sucked everything this
community is going to give them. Even the A+ group despise the place. Donna said,
"burn the fucker down."
·
Me
–lol Well turn it into a homeless shelter
·
Frost-
Would be a better use of the space for sure.
16 July 2015 Thursday
I had a fun little day trip with Bill Poore to
get out of the city. We went up Weber Canyon to Morgan. Drove around the town
looking at old buildings then went up a canyon road and saw a lot of farm land.
Everyone is haying. Then we went up a back road to see The Three Witches
formation and Bill pointed out the Cafe were Stephen King's The Stand was
filmed. Drove around Echo Reservoir. It didn't look low and then into
Coalville. Bill said we had to eat at the Polar King hamburger joint. Since he
was buying I didn't care and it was good. Lots of locals and eye candy for
Bill. Drove around the town. Lots of people had goats. I love goats. They were
so cute. I want one. We took Legacy HWY home but stopped at Bountiful Lake to
look around and see how the fishing was. A little summer adventure. — with Bill
Poore. John Schild, another long time community member has passed away. I've
known John since 1987. He will be missed. Troy Williams is going to honor
Connell O’Donovan for his activism at the Equality Utah Banquet fundraiser.
James Dabakis is the only one on Capitol Hill that seems to give a damn about
the health of low income people. I guess if you aren't a big donor to Gary
Herberts campaign war chest or a developer you have no intrinsic value to
Republicans. Talk about your "death panels"...those GOP sociopaths
who pretend to be public servants are holding up Medicaid Expansion because
they hate President Obama more than they care about low income Utahns. I am
sorry but I have no use for people who vote Republican...their moral compass is
really screwed up. "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which
is in heaven." I always was taught the will of God was to love one another
and treat people as you would be treated. The Utah Pride Center on Marian
Edmonds a former pastor and longtime gay and transgender community advocate as
its new executive director. Kent Frogley said it was a unanimous choice. She
will start August 3. We already know that her focus will be on youth and
Trannies as she has a adopted daughter that is transitioning..
·
Me
to Charles Frost-Connell O'Donovan really? Gone for 20 years now is getting an
award? LOL Well good for him but really?
·
Charles
Frost- Well how special. Every decision made at Equality Utah at this point is
driven by political power and Troy having his way. Connell and Troy are close,
so I am sure that has something to do with this. SPA is also getting an award,
and Mindy B. Young is on the theatre faculty there, also a long-time friend of
Troy's. She and I are close as well. Kathryn Bond Stockton has always been an
idol of Troy's. All about Troy, all for Troy. Connell may be a slap in your
face as well, I wouldn't put it past Troy and that EU Board. Every fucking
board in this city is fucked up. Marian Edmonds Allen today, I am just waiting
for the shit show to begin. Just a matter of time, just a matter of time. Like
you, I am getting to the complete I DONT GIVE A SHIT mindset. The queers are
fucked as well, especially where everyone is going to be focusing for the next
few years. I am glad I am over and done with it all.
·
Me-
I don’t see this as a slap in my face. Troy doesn’t know of any history between
Rocky and me. I just think it was an interesting choice.
·
Jon J. Schild was born on November 16, 1944
and died July 16, 2015 from cancer. He graduated from Pocatello High School in
1962 and served an LDS mission to the New England states. Jon earned his bachelor’s
degree from Idaho State University in 1969 and his master’s degree was from UC
Santa Barbara in 1975. Jon lived a life of service. He was a ward and church
organist for over 50 years of his life. Jon was an Air Force Veteran. He also
served with the Big Brother’s organization for several years earning an award
from Governor Bangerter in 1986 for outstanding community service. He
volunteered with a half-way house program to help people rebuild their lives
after incarceration. Jon loved the arts and acted in countless plays over the
years. He sang in the Salt Lake Men’s Choir and then in the Utah Opera Chorus
for over 20 years where he performed in many operas. Jon was preceded in death
by his parents Jacob and Sylvia Schild of Pocatello, Idaho and by his loyal cat
Queen Vashti. He is survived by his children Lorelei Archibald, Victoria
Winsett, Jeremy Schild, Benjamin Schild, and Matthew Schild, by 13 grandchildren,
and several dear friends. He continues to serve the community by having donated
his body for medical research. Jon’s memorial service will be held at Sacred
Light of Christ Church 823 S. 600 E. in Salt Lake City on July 26th at 7:00 PM.
17 July 2015 Friday
Evidently the Pride Center Town Meeting was
scheduled and placed on the Pride Center's web page but only as an obscure
event on their calendar page. To know what events are happening prior to the
day it is happening, one has to click on "Events" then if you are a
sleuth you can find the information on the monthly calendar page which is chock
full of repetitive events. If your eyes don't glaze over you eventually will
notice that a Town Meeting is scheduled for the 17th. However there are several
other groups going on that day that seem to be over lapping each other... but
if you click on Town Meeting it will reveal a meeting from 6 pm to 7:30 pm in
the Rainbow Room. Beneath that is a map you can click on but that pulls up the
Utah Valley University campus. Well that's special but I hardly think accurate.
If you click on "details" you will find no description of what the
Town Meeting is or what it is for... It seems to me that if the Center truly
wanted people to attend they would want to be more proactive at getting the
word out rather than just saying obtusely saying a meeting had been scheduled.
Their enthusiasm for this program is rather under whelming. I think the word
could have gotten out more effectively on their FB page as that more than
18,000 people clicked like. Now that we are in day 2 of Jade Helm operation
destroy Texas...I haven't heard much coming from my relatives...I'm so glad
many of my Texas kinfolk have tornado cellars to hide in so as not to be herded
into all them empty Walmart. I wonder if the reason why we haven't heard much
from Governor Abbott is that he is hunkered down in his bunker beneath the
state Capitol with Texas National Guard. Has anyone heard from Texans? I fear
they are all dead as King Hussein Obama is personally snatching their guns out
of their cold dead hands. Oh the horror! The horror! And watch out Utah we are
next! I need to make a run to the store because I am all out of aluminum
foil. It was a beautiful summer evening
to do some work in the front yard. There even was a cooling breeze. I worked
all evening on the corner mound that Richard Butler made for me so many years
ago. I cleaned out all the undergrowth, weeded, moved rocks, dug up a bush that
had seen better days, trimmed back the overgrown forsythia and water it all. So
much cleaner looking and easier to keep up. You have to work your ass off to
make this desert bloom as a rose. I remember my California youth where you
stuck something in the ground and it just grew. My English herb garden in my
front yard is so pretty and I love sitting on the grass weeding that space
because it’s so fragrant. Yesterday I saw a squirrel jumping around from tree
to tree in my back yard. Boy did that piss Lucky off. I need to put some
peanuts out for him. So after my hard work was done I soaked in the hot tub.
Blessed mother of mercy it felt really good. Heaven is a freshly made bed with
clean sheets to crawl beneath.... Sweet dreams
18 July 2015 Saturday
Another wonderful evening for yard work. middle
of July so many things get over grown and weedy and then there's all that dried
up leaves and crap from that heat wave we had. I've filled up a Trash can and
my yard rubbish container. I then hand watered the garden and flowers until the
sun went down and it was twilight at 9:30... I told all the spiders leave me
alone and I'll leave you alone. My Armenian Ward Levon is so excited he bought
himself a car... That's the American Dream. I watch a great documentary on YouTube
called How we Got Gay from the Discovery Channel. It was a great way to
understand how we got to where we are today and how important it is to not let
younger Gay folks forget forget that without the AIDS Crisis there would be no
Gay Marriage today. What is going on in South Carolina and elsewhere disgusts
me. I am of Southern heritage since the day John Williams got off the boat in
1666 at Surry County, Virginia as an indentured servant... He served his time
and became a huge land owner but hard work cut his life short and died in his
40's. His posterity is spread out over the entire South over the next 200
years. He never owned slaves but many of his children, grandchildren, great
grandchildren and great great grandchildren did... Some of these folks were
also slaves held by their own relatives...some of his posterity were
descendants also of the Tuscarora Indian Nation of North Carolina. I was born a
fifth generation Texan and grew up in Southern California. I understand
heritage. I also understand hate and prejudice... The Southern economy before
the Civil War was the 4th largest in the world but only a small group of
wealthy aristocrats were benefiting from it. They convinced the rest of those
in the South that Northern people were trying to dominate the south and people
went along. The South did not vote for secession. A handful of slavers in state
legislatures did. It then was framed in terms of Independence when in all
actuality the wealthy elite were worried about losing billions in personal
property...slaves... My family fought in the war.. They had too. They were
drafted or had peer pressure to enlist. 3 of my grandfathers from that time
died in the Civil War and many more uncles were killed. The death rate was
horrendous and after the war the only way to make sense of the waste was to turn
their deaths into almost martyrs of a noble cause...states’ rights. Today most
people still attached to the Confederate Battle Flag of Tennessee have no idea
what the Civil War was about. The flag stands only for segregation, white
supremacy, and states’ rights. The Confederacy is no more MY Heritage than
National Socialism is the Heritage of Germany. My direct ancestor Britton
Williams was killed in the Revolutionary War for this country the United States
and the Stars and Stripes not the Stars and Bars... I don't believe all
Confederate monuments need to removed but rather should be interpreted
correctly that the leaders of that failed nation state were traitors whose
ideology of racism caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American men.
19 July 2015 Sunday
I left this morning about 10:30 to get on the
road to go see Kyle Foote in Gunnison. It was a beautiful day and the trip was
without incident. When I left I picked up a form to renew my visitation
privileges. My latest favorite show... Ian McKellen and Derek Jacobi in Vicious
...
20 July 2015 Monday
Busy day this morning. I went up the First
Baptist Church to as Curtis Price if they had space we could rent for Gay Men
Aloud. I told him it would be a group for senior Gay men as that SAGE is going
through changes. He said certainly and that we could meet for free. I just had
to schedule it was Dennis McCracken. I told him that I had been seeing Kyle and
he warned me about his manipulations and I said I feel that prison had changed
him. He wanted his address and said he might write him after I told him that I
am the only one who goes sees him. Then I went and picked up Chuck and I took
him to lunch at Chuck A Rama while I killed time before meeting with Lavon at
3:30. I wanted to visit and see his new car. So since he wasn’t answering I
went over to Charles because he wanted me to call him but since I was in town I
just dropped by, He was really depressed because he feels that he’s been really
betrayed by Jerry Buie who has thrown him under the bus. From what Charles says
Jerry has been bad mouthing Charles to the Pride Center about SAGE. Jerry wants
to have his Pride Counseling be the place where they will send mental health
clients and in turn Jerry will give the center a stipend for the referrals.
Pride is not going to let go of SAGE even though there are only 6 board members
left since all the Lesbians have left. I guess there was a blow up when Charles
resigned and there were harsh words said among all the board members. We live
in the Great Basin Desert at the foot of the Wasatch Mountains where six inches
of rain our average is. Next to New Mexico we are statistically the 2nd driest
state...so even a little bit of rain like we had this morning we write about as
if a hurricane had hit Florida. Lol Love the cool damp smell of a summer shower
and I know my poor flowers and tomatoes love it too. We don't have restrictions
here but I try to hand water as much as I can. I love sprinklers but I can
conserve more if I just hand water plus I get to be outside and enjoy the flora
and fauna. So much revisionist history about Stonewall it infuriates me. I am
also so offended by Free Pride, an alternative Pride in Scotland who refuse to
let Drag Queens performed because some Trannies are offended by them. “At Free
Pride we hope to create a safe space for all people within the LGBTQIA+
community. We understand that sometimes this will disappoint some people within
the community, however our priority is always to put the needs of the most marginalized
groups within our community first. This is why, after much discussion, the
trans and non-binary caucus decided not to have drag acts perform at the event.
This does not mean that people of any gender can’t wear what they want to the
event, we simply won’t be having any self-described drag acts perform at our
Free Pride Event on the 22nd August. We hope people can understand and support
our decision. However we feel it important to fully explain why we came to this
decision. The decision was taken by transgender individuals who were
uncomfortable with having drag performances at the event. It was felt that it
would make some of those who were transgender or questioning their gender
uncomfortable. It was felt by the group within the Trans/Non Binary Caucus that
some drag performance, particularly cis drag, hinges on the social view of
gender and making it into a joke, however transgender individuals do not feel
as though their gender identity is a joke.”
Who's is being "marginalized" now? If I was in Scotland I'd
organize a boycott of that UNPRIDE event... Have these idiots not heard of the
Imperial Court System that was founded in 1965? Especially how the Trans have
turned the uprising all about them. It’s becoming almost a mantra that the
Trans started Stonewall because Sylvia Rivera
and Marsha Johnson were there. Two Trans a riot does not make and
neither was the event caused by the preppies and tie wearing patrons at Julius
just around the corner from Stonewall.
It was drag queens, gender queers, and leftist radical Gay Street people
who started the riots on Christopher Street..... It was the drag community here
in Salt Lake City who were the first and only ones raising money for those in
our community dying of AIDS... If it weren't for the Gay activist movement
organized to fight the government over issues of AIDS there would be NO
movement to organize for Gay Marriage... God Bless and Save the Nelly Queens
·
Benedgar
regarding Gay Men Aloud I met with Curtis Price the Pastor of the 1st Baptists
on 13th East and 8th South today and he said we could use the church rooms for
free. I told him that whatever money we could collect we could donate to the
church. He said i need to contact Dennis McCracken who schedules the church's
calendar... at the end of this.. is what I wrote to him... I will report back
as soon as I hear anything... Charles talked about a person in West Valley who
may be a good fit to join us as co-directors ... I forgot his name... Let’s
come up with a time next week to have an organizational meeting... The 30th is
a Blue Moon a perfect day for organizing... maybe we could all hot tub and
brain storm...."
·
Benedgar
to Curtis Price It was good to visit with you this afternoon. I sent a FB
message to Dennis about the gay men's group for mature and seniors. I really
appreciate all that you do. I appreciated your comments about Kyle... I hope
the therapy he's getting, and medication, and the time to reflect on how he
hurt so many people financially and emotionally will help him be a changed
person... Not a lot of people know I go see him...I have my own personal
understanding about how Christ wants me to live my life and that is to
comfort the broken hearted and liberate
the captives. My bible taught me when young to visit those who are prison and
Kyle is the only one I know who was sent to prison... He's had one or two letters
from Jaime [his sister] but no one else. No one visits him but me... They keep
records and once a guard told me that I was the only one who ever applied to
see him. The prison said the thing that helps rehabilitate inmates a lot is the
amount of visitations they receive. I don't blame anyone for not visiting him
but Kyle, as anyone does, needs to know that he is loved... If not trusted.
Well this is long winded... If you care to write him I know it would mean a lot...
Warren Kyle Foote inmate # 187422 Central Utah Correctional Faculty PO Box 550
Gunnison, Utah 84634-0550
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Curtis
You are a good and gracious man. I'm ashamed that I didn't keep track of Kyle
and reach out in some way. I am surprised that Jamie didn't keep closer track.
I am glad that you are there for him. He is a lucky guy. I will get a letter
off to him. It was good to chat. Drop by anytime.
·
Hi
Dennis, This is Ben Williams. I met with Curtis today about having a space to
meet at the church for an older Gay Men's group that Charles Frost, Kent
Scadlock, and I want to start. The demographics for this group is mature or
senior Gay men as we feel there is need for a social, support, and informative
group for men in this age range who often feel isolated from the community.
Also since there have been a couple of
older Gay men who have died alone in their home we would like this group
also to be an outreach for people who have no family support. We are looking to
be a bi-monthly meeting with the first meeting being a group discussion/social
circle and the second meeting to be a forum with guest speakers ranging from
county health to history to financial to spirituality. We have no idea yet how
many people might be interested in coming but we are thinking 20 to 30 men
maybe more with a speaker of interest. We are not tied to any specific night
but ideally a Wednesday evening but any
Monday through Thursday evenings would do. We would prefer the same day,
however, for both monthly meetings to be consistent. We are looking at a 6 pm
slot from September through March as a lot of older people do not like to drive
at night and switch to 7 pm April through August. The name of the organization
is Gay Men Aloud with the main purpose to deal with issue Germain to Gay men of
our generation. The set up would involve a room where we could set up chairs in
a circle and at the next meeting in rows to listen to a speaker. It’s an open
group in that any person who identifies with being a Gay man ... middle age and
up can attend. We don’t plan on having memberships but will pass a hat or
basket and donate to the church whatever is raised. Think about it if you will and I hope you can
find a space to accommodate us... I feel the American Baptists are well known
and respected in the Gay community and the space will seem as welcoming and non-threatening to
any new comer. We are very excited about the potential of this group Gay Men
Aloud to be positive and affirming to many men who need an opportunity to be
with other Gay men that is non-alcoholic, non-hooking up, and nonnonjudgmental.
Appreciate all you do... if you need to talk
or text my number is 505 3459. We want to begin in September either the 1st and
3rd or the 2nd and 4th of each months... Thanks ...PS you can certainly talk to
Charles about this if you need to.
·
Hi
Dennis, This is Ben Williams. I met with Curtis today about having a space to
meet at the church for an older Gay Men's group that Charles Frost, Kent
Scadlock, and I want to start. The demographics for this group is mature or
senior Gay men as we feel there is need for a social, support, and informative
group for men in this age range who often feel isolated from the community.
Also since there have been a couple of older Gay men who have died alone in
their home we would like this group also to be an outreach for people who have
no family support. We are looking to be a bi-monthly meeting with the first
meeting being a group discussion/social circle and the second meeting to be a
forum with guest speakers ranging from county health to history to financial to
spirituality. We have no idea yet how many people might be interested in coming
but we are thinking 20 to 30 men maybe more with a speaker of interest. We are
not tied to any specific night but ideally a Wednesday evening but any Monday
through Thursday evenings would do. We would prefer the same day, however, for
both monthly meetings to be consistent. We are looking at a 6 pm slot from
September through March as a lot of older people do not like to drive at night
and switch to 7 pm April through August. The name of the organization is Gay
Men Aloud with the main purpose to deal with issue germane to Gay men of our
generation. The set up would involve a room where we could set up chairs in a
circle and at the next meeting in rows to listen to a speaker. It’s an open
group in that any person who identifies with being a Gay man ... middle age and
up can attend. We don’t plan on having memberships but will pass a hat or
basket and donate to the church whatever is raised. Think about it if you will
and I hope you can find a space to accommodate us... I feel the American
Baptists are well known and respected in the Gay community and the space will
seem as welcoming and non-threatening to any new comer. We are very excited
about the potential of this group Gay Men Aloud to be positive and affirming to
many men who need an opportunity to be with other Gay men that is
non-alcoholic, non-hooking up, and nonnonjudgmental. Appreciate all you do...
if you need to talk or text my number is 505 3459. We want to begin in
September either the 1st and 3rd or the 2nd and 4th of each months... Thanks
...PS you can certainly talk to Charles or Kent about this if you need to also
21 July 2015 Tuesday
This must be the summer of going to the
dentist... Sunday a molar was sore thought it might just be my gum since hadn't
floss there for a while but has gotten steadily worse until anything I drink
even sends a jolt of pain... I think Dr Gomez is going to think I am stalking
him... Well he is cute but my tooth really really does hurt... Ow Ow Ow. My
right back molar was still really achy and thought I might be able to tough it
out but this morning I finally called Centerville and asked if I could be seen
and they said to come down at 11 a.m. So Back in the dentist chair... I've had
more dental work this summer than I've had in 10 years...I am exhausted after 3
hours at the dentist today. Dr. Gomez had to pop an old crown. A lot of
bacteria had gone beneath making my gums infected and sore. He had to drill and
clean all that up but they made the crown on the property instead of sending it
out to a lab so I didn't have to have a temporary put in but my mouth is still
sore and I can't chew until tomorrow. I've always been proud that I had good
teeth but I guess they are wearing out. Maybe evolution didn't intend to be
using them this long. I have to rinse with an anti-biotic mouth wash to start
healing the gums up. Glad I still have some pain pills left from the extraction
I had last May. I think bed and a movie is sounding good about now. I will
bitch slap the next person in this LBT community who call Gay men
privileged...We lost what male privilege there might have been when we came out
as Gay... Most of us lived lives close to poverty or worked shit jobs...That is
why I am a feminist ... Oh Yes It was such a privilege to watch a half a
million Gay young men die with few from my generation prepared for a future
because we didn't think we'd have one...
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Benedgar
regarding Gay Men Aloud Dennis [MacCracken] contacted me this morning... We can
have the hall on Mondays the 2nd and 4th week of each month... Actually I've
done Monday's before and they are a nice way to begin a new week and catch up
with friends what you did over the weekend... So we are in business... First
Baptist Church 13th east 800 South Cultural Hall 2nd and 4th Monday of each
month.... Now we could do 1st and 3rd Monday but in Sept the 1st Monday is
Labor Day... If we do that then we would just have one meeting that month...
Which is fine with me because that could be a get together information group to
tell who we are and what the group is about
·
Kent
Hi Ben. Thanks for doing all the leg work! I'm good with either time but sounds
like the 1st & 3rd might work best.
·
Benedgar
Okay I was thinking that too since the first of the month is usually easier to
remember
·
Charles
Lynn Thanks. I agree with both of you. let's schedule this post 24th
brainstorming and organizing meeting ASAP, so we can get it on our calendars
and get ready for it. Thank you.
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Benedgar
I will call Dennis tomorrow and say we want the 1st and 3rd Then... I am kind
of excited about this...Charles do you want to call your friend and invite him
to a planning meeting if he is interested? Btw I made both of you admins on the
Gay Men Aloud group page... Maybe we can come up with a better picture and logo
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Charles
Lynn 1st and 3rd are best, because Gay Writes goes 2nd and 4th Mondays. There
are several in that group who may wish to join our group. I think once this
goes up and word gets out, there are going to be a lot of Gay men who want to
belong. Not just mature, maybe some 40's, 50 somethings.
·
Benedgar
Well who better to learn what they will be going through than us pioneers? You
know it goes fast after the glory days of youth fades
22 July 2015 Wednesday
The rain we had this afternoon was wonderful a
good downpour. Bill Poore came over to visit some. I can't feed him anymore
because he's on a no carb regiment so I sent him home with yellow squash
instead of banana nut bread. My laptop decided to stop allowing my external
hard drive or my printer to plug in any more... It won't show the drives when
the cable is plug. David Sharpton has been dead now 23 years. Does not seem
possible. David Sharpton blew into Salt Lake City in 1987 like a Texas Tornado,
two years after his AIDS diagnosis at the age of 25. A convert to the Mormon
Church in his early teens, he was later excommunicated when he revealed his
homosexuality. He was on a Mission to educate Utah Mormons about the AIDS
epidemic of which health department was reluctant to talk about and Gay Utahns
pretended they were safe behind the Zion Curtain. He was loud, brash, a bully,
and my friend. While in Utah he co-founded the People With AIDS Coalition of
Utah and put a public face on AIDS. Dr. Kristen Ries kept him alive longer than
anyone could have back then.
23 July 2015 Thursday
I am feeling lazy today for some reason. Didn't
feel like I've done much at all and its 2:30. This morning I hoed the damp
ground and weeded, then went to the store for chicken gizzards for the pups
supper tonight, came home and cut up a pork roast and threw it in the crock pot
to make chili verde stew, made a lemon blueberry pound cake, I had to use up
these blueberries before they go bad, and then took a nap. Not counting carbs
today so made me a lemon blueberry pound cake... They call it a pound cake because
each slice adds a pound to your weight... I don't care ... If you don't love me
fat you ain't gonna love me skinny... Mmmmm aunt Beulah’s lemon pound cake ...
Southerners should stop being racists and do what we do best... Cook and make
love ... When they say the South Shall Rise again ...hot buttered corn bread
and hot buttered men should come to mind not the Confederate flag. I need to
get up and do something before the day is shot...at last do a load of dishes
and some laundry...This evening Baby girl Daisy is hiding in the bathtub from
all the pre 24th fireworks... The rest of America's dogs only have to endure
fireworks on the 4th but we in Utah celebrate Mormon Independence Day on the
24th ergo asshole will shoot them off all month...her brother Buddy is lying
next to the tub to keep her safe... Lucky goes out and barks at the noise...
Well that's how Mormon celebrate Pioneer Day while we Jack Mormons and Gentiles
celebrate Pie and Beer Day. Once I get this gum infection over with I think I
will be over the soreness... The sharp pain is that made my eye tear up so
grateful for that. My dentist is wonderful and said I was one of his best
client. I said I never misbehave towards the man with the needles and drill...
but why do they ask you questions when they have two hands and a water hose in
your mouth?
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Charles
Frost Please help me understand what you are doing with Gay Men Aloud. All of a
sudden there are all these members, and some have been there over a year?? Did
you change an older group name to Gay Men Aloud? I didn't know we were inviting
people. Please help me understand.
·
Me-
Before we started Great Basin Bad Boys I created a page called Stonewall
Community Forum.... To discuss community issues...it never took off...then
after I was being kicked off Great Basin Bad Boys from someone (Jepson)
complaints to FB about me I stated a group called Gay Men Aloud to discuss
issues without all the nudity... I saw a group called Men Aloud that was the
name of a Choral group. Since my Salt and Sage page had not taken off either
after the Matt Uhl melt down and Connell O'Donovan lack of commitment to
anything that he was not a star of some faeries who liked the heart circle
transferred over to the Group Gay Men Aloud. However since I seemed to be the
only one posting I kind of let it goes especially since it was under my old
page Benedgar log in instead of Edgar Ben which I had to create after the
shenanigans on GBBB got me almost blacklisted from FB. I always wanted GBBB to be more than a
cyberspace site but no one seemed interested in getting to know anyone off site
and in the real world... So when you, Kent and I decided to create a group for
older Gay Men and trying to find a name (remember maven? Lol) you threw out Gay
Men Aloud (great minds think alike or we have been hanging around each other
way too much lol) and the reason I liked it so much and grabbed it was because
already had a page up that I just had to dust off...I made you and Kent
Administrator so you can change anything you like or add people you want to get
a word out... I see that Michael did not place an ad for the group I sent
him...probably forgot... But see if I can or you or Kent get an ad layout for
the Sept issue... So does this all make sense now? How come you didn't tell me
you were getting a puppy? That is great ... I knew you talked about it a couple
of weeks ago... Have you gotten a name picked out yet? BTW John Bonner looks
like a senior but is he? LOL
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Frost
- Not old but is a LCSW that works with many older men. I think having him
there would be a good addition, especially when it comes to loneliness and
isolation, etc. He works a lot with those issues. Some find Loki A Bear a bit
freaky, what do you think of those perceptions. I think by asking those who
know other mature men, they will reach out to them and increase and enhance the
group.
·
Me-True
... Loki just does his own kind of drag... LOL he doesn’t wear that all the times.
Besides if people start judging others by appearances they don't belong in this
group... May they can start a Piss Elegant group LOL...I know people think I am a bit freaky. \
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Frost
-Well let's let it grow organically and see how it goes and grows. If a man
gets to be too much, we can kindly ask them to tone it all down, and if they
don't then we can politely ask them to discontinue attending or take a break.
·
Me-
exactly ... the thing I would hate to see happen if people not making people
feel welcome for superficial reasons... being disruptive, argumentative,
sexually harassing or extreme rudeness are the only reasons I can see for
asking people to comply with the purpose of the group or find another group..
·
Frost
I totally agree.
24 July 2015 Friday
Salt Lake City is my adopted home of 30
years... I moved to Utah when I was still 21 years old in January 1973 not
knowing a soul. Moved to SLC in the fall of 1976 and lived there not quite a
year. Came back to the city in 1978 but for a few months. Came back to SLC in
1979 for about a year. It became my permanent home in August of 1985 when I
left California for good. The mountains drew me back and here I stayed. It’s a
state holiday today Pioneer Day or Pie And Beer Day which ever you prefer but I
didn’t go out and do anything but work
on files on my computer. I did get the science text book today that Kyle asked
me to order for him so he can finish his Biology class. Wow ... Well as my
Mormon neighbors are getting hard ons over how loud and many explosions they
can set off, I took a ladder and climbed one of my 20 foot front yard trees and
started sawing off limbs, the trees not mine. I sawed off all the old dead
branches without fallen out of the tree. Pretty good for a 64 year old sissy
man. Wasn't as hard as cleaning the dead undergrowth of my yucca plant that
hadn't been trimmed in 15 years. I hauled all to the curb for city clean up.
It's been a great summer for cleaning up and trimming. Not to hot and cool in
the evening. I posted the song Utah Gateway to Nevada by A Plague of Locust who
were performing on 600 East between3rd and 4th South on a snowy day in 1985.
They were performing in front of the monument to the only tree in the valley
when the pioneers came in 1847... The irony is the plaque says the Mormons cut
it down lol. The building on the right is the old Juel Apartment. I lived there from 1986 through 1989... It's
torn down now but when I lived there it was like a Gay dormitory and nearly
everyone who was anyone back then came to visit me in my little basement
apartment where we helped to create and organize the Gay community. Those were
some of the best times in my life and I was dirt poor.
25 July 2015 Saturday
I've got Corky the Corker and his sweet sister
Bonnie today as their daddies head off to Wendover. I think they think they are
on vacation and Corky struts in and says, "Where's the Grub? and my boy
toy Lucky”. So Alan Anderson and Kyle brought Corky and Bahni [Bonnie] over
this morning about 8 for me to babysit. They are going out to Wendover for the
day and I’m not planning much today. I did go with Charles Frost out to the
Murray Farmer’s market because this is their opening day. Was surprised how
little was there compared to years before but then again it is opening day. I
went out there to get apricots but nobody had any. There were some peaches
which usually come in after peaches. I wanted to make some Apricot preserves
and syrup for the winter Oh Well. Charles showed me the flier he made up for
Gay Men Aloud but wanted me to do some bullet points to quickly summarize what
the group is going to be about. Charles sometimes like to gossip to stir things
up. I gossip to inform people what is happening but Charles likes to set people
against people. For example he tries to get me upset with Bill Poore by saying
Bill said something about me which later I hear from Bill he has never said.
Today he was running Bill down and I just let it go. It’s like he’s trying to
bait me. On the way home I guess someone from Becker’s campaign called and
Charles went on and on about how he and Becker were friends and how he left a
message for him that he would rally the “LGBT” community for him but Becker
never responded back. He said how disappointed he was that Becker treated him,
someone influential in the community and now it’s a little too late. I thought
he was all in Biskupski’s camp because at the last SAGE pot luck he was all
over her hugging her and comforting her. So I thought hmmm…he’s playing both of
them. Later in the evening he called me to tell me that Gay Men Aloud was
already getting some buzz with the board of the Pride Center and what’s left of
sage. I said what does it matter?” They have no say or control over what we do.
Drama Drama Drama. I bought a few groceries and mainly fruit. When it was cooler I went and cut the limbs
off the dead tree on the parking strip on the south side of the house. Poor
tree I didn’t know how it lasted as long as it did. When we first moved in the
cable company back into it and damaged the bark which I know caused it to get
infected with bugs. Then last year or so a city tree trimming outfit came out
and chopped the top of the tree off and I think that is what killed it. I
noticed this spring that it never leafed out. The city clean up must be
happening soon although I never got a notice because everyone is putting refuse
out on the curb. I couldn’t get the trunk cut down until I get the chain saw
working. Ive spent the last couple of days trying to clean up my documents on
my computer because I can’t get my external drive to plug into this lap top to
save as a backup. Just another probable to solve. Alan and Kyle picked up their
pups about 7:30 and I was really tired tonight so went to bed about 10 pm. I
sent the following to Charles to put in the flyer.
•
Celebrating our tribe of liberated Gay men
•
Sharing the wisdom gained through adversity
•
Valuing the transition of becoming a Gay elder
•
Building bonds of friendship and a sense of community
•
Enjoying the energy of the company of Gay men
26 July 2015 Sunday
Hell has no fury like Drag Queens scorned...
Good for them and good for Free Pride not letting a few uptight individuals
dictate policy for the entire LGBT community. UPDATE: Drag performers are now
welcome at Free Pride of Scotland.
27 July 2015 Monday
I accomplished a couple of things today. I went
up to 1st Baptists and met with Dennis McCracken and signed the church
agreement and picked up a key. We signed up for the 1st and 3rd Mondays at 6:30
to 8:00. Charles called me this morning about the flyer he was making to
“market” the group. Sometimes I think he isn’t attentively listening to me or
he is just absent minded about things we discussed. He acted all flustered
about the meeting times and tried to make it seem like I was the one confused
and I had to get a little stern with him so he would listen. But after all was
said and done we came up with a better time anyways. Instead of 6 pm which he
was concerned that two of his friends said it would be tough for them and I
said out of 110 people I hardly think we need to rethink meeting times. He even
wanted to change the day and I had to remind him when he said he was going to
send Jerry Buie some misinformation and I told him not to that we aren’t going
to be that kind of group. I said it does not matter what the Pride Center
thinks. It does not matter what Jerry Buie thinks. We are not starting off this
group as being negative against any one or thing. It was really petty. But I
know he feels really betrayed by Jerry. Anyway after getting the key I came and
addressed the biology science book I bought for Kyle and mailed it off today. I
sent it at book rate and the postal worker said it would be slow getting there
and I said its okay because it won’t be any slower than my first class letters
that take a week to get to me. It looked like a storm was coming in this
morning with blustery winds and a darken sky but it never did. I drove by the
homeless shelter again today on the way home and there’s the same little golden
retriever mix, an older dog just sitting in the grass. My heart went out to him
hoping that he is being fed and watered and loved. The meridian strip on 5th
West between 4th and 2nd South looks like a tent and card board city. I had
never seen it look like that before. It’s a sad situation.
28 July 2015
Dear Kyle, Hope you are well. July is quickly
coming to an end and it’s been a fairly mild one so grateful for that. I wanted
you to know I mailed out your science text book yesterday. I sent it by book
rate and the postal lady said that it will take some time to get there. She
said maybe Friday. I laughed because I said that was faster than the letters I
get from you first class. So anyway your principal should have it at least by
the beginning of August. After I last
saw you, I had another dental emergency. I think I had more work on my teeth
this summer than I ever had. A right side molar had bacteria growing beneath my
crown causing my gums to become infected. So I went back down to my dentist who
squeezed me in but said he had to pop the old crown to clean out all the
infection and replace a new crown over it. So that was $350 out of my pocket.
However it’s better to get all this done now while I have insurance because
once I go on Medicare next April I will lose dental. Medicare doesn’t pay for
dental. My gum is still tender a week later and Ive been rinsing with this
anti-bacterial mouth wash… Oh well Gay men are being tossed off buildings to
their deaths by ISIS so I should not complain.
Another expense I have this month is I have to register the cruiser. I
always wait to the last on that but with inspection and all that will be about
$175. The days leading up to Pioneer Day
or as everyone seems to be calling it these days Pie and Beer Day was like a
battle zone here. The louder the explosion the more hard ons I think the guys
in the neighborhood were getting. The 24th is always louder and bigger than the
fireworks set off on the 4th of July which seems to me rather unpatriotic to me
when you think about it. Why should Mormons invading the Great Basin be more
celebrated than the birth of the nation? On the 26th went to the memorial
service at the Sacred Light of Christ Church over on 600 East of a friend I had
known since 1988. I hadn't been in that church for ages, not since I was a few
years older than you are now. It brought back a lot of memories of old friends
and times gone by. I can still see skinny as a rail Bruce Barton when he was
pastor there waving his hanky like a good Pentecostal would even though it was
MCC church. I saw a few of the old crowd from the 1980's there, like John
Cooper who was the director of Affirmation way back when. I first met Jon
Schild when he divorced and came to Unconditional Support, the group I had started back in 1987. It
helped him transition into the Gay community from being a married man with 5
kids. All his kids and grandkids were at the service held in that Gay church he
attended. Times have changed. Didn’t even knew he had a family back then
because none of us had families, just the ones we created with our Gay friends.
He touched a lot of people's lives and it was good to say good bye. As sad as
it may be to say good bye to old friends it's much easier knowing they lived
out the full measure of their lives than watching my friends of 25 years ago
all die in their 20s and 30s cut down before they had much time to live out
their full potential. Unless you experienced it you just can't imagine how
emotionally traumatizing it was to say goodbye to dear friends way too early, one
after another after another... So many of friends I never got to see them grow
old. AIDs was the invisible intruder in all our lives back then. His Specter
followed us everywhere. We could not make him leave or leave us alone... I have
no idea how I escaped his embrace. But I feel I have to be a record keeper so
that future generations know what we went through and yet we kept fighting for
equality. The worse year was 1995 when at its peak 500 people died that year
alone... Almost all of these death’s Gay men from our small community. No one
was left unscathed... So glad that most young Gays will not have to go through
that. For past couple of days, driving
home from downtown, I'd pass the homeless shelter and the cardboard tent city
that is springing up between 4th and 2nd South on 5th west. I have never seen
so many people there before and because they camp out on the meridian across
from the Rio Grande their numbers look shocking. There must be a couple hundred
people there men, women, children and what is the city, the state, or the
Mormon Church, who can build a billion dollar shopping mall, doing about it?
How can you say you love the poor and then grind their face in poverty? How can
you allow the mentally ill live I such squalor or not provide treatment for the
drug addicted. I'd seen this old yellow dog just sitting on the grassy meridian
looking so worn out and tired the last several days. I was so worried about him
whether he has food or water. So yesterday coming home from a Gay Men Aloud
organizational meeting I stopped and asked people who this dog belonged to and
when this raggedy fellow claimed him, I gave him a bag of dog food and told him
to make sure his dog gets something to eat. There are no stores or anywhere to
get dog food in the area that I can tell even if I had just given money. I hope
he had water for his old dog. Poor old boy. Some of the food banks have pet food to
distribute I think. I see so many homeless people with dogs, and they are not
allowed into the shelters with them. I believe the homeless with their limited
resources try to treat their animal as good as they can. I hate seeing a
homeless person with a homeless animal.
But they often are the last friend some of these people will have and I know the worry they must feel
when their companions don't get fed just as I do my critters. I hate seeing any
one hungry but especially these animal companions who have no other home than
with the homeless. Someone told me they
carry bags of dog food in their car to give out to anyone who is asking for a
handout that has a dog. So I need to start doing that. My spoiled little turkeys turn their noses up
at half the stuff I fix them. The latest
knucklehead trend is that being Gay is not immutable and people make choices
with their sexuality... The Center posted this article from a Utah Lesbian psychologist
in which she said, “It is time to just take the whole idea of sexuality as
immutable, the born this way notion, and just come to a consensus as scientists
and as legal scholars that we need to put it to rest. It’s unscientific, it’s
unnecessary and it’s unjust. It doesn’t matter how we got to be this way. As a
scientist, I think it’s one of the most fascinating questions out there and one
that I will continue to investigate. As a lesbian and a progressive, I think
it’s totally irrelevant and just politics.”
This would be irritating enough coming from conservatives but when it is
being promoted with in the so called LGBT community to promote polyamory and
sexual fluidity it's downright appalling as well as being irresponsible. The
word "choice" for my generation has a negative connotation as it was
used to disparage, degrade, and condemn Gay men and Lesbian folk for our wrong
choices. It was just another weapon to deny us equality. For millions of older
Gay people we refuse to believe we chose to be Gay but rather believe as I do
that God chose us. I think of being born a Gay man as my greatest gift... once
I accepted it and stopped refusing it. I am glad that younger people are born
into a world where homosexuality is not a mental illness, and that our sexual
behaviors are no longer criminalized, and we can actually have the legal
protection of marriage for the people we love. However let's not forget these
milestones happened by the actions of millions of people who said we had no
choice in being Gay and by the convincing of millions of straight people more
that yes we had no choice in being Gay. The post Stonewall Generation are more
concerned about gender identity only because our Stonewall Generation made the
acceptance of sexual orientation nearly universally accepted as being
immutable. For most of my life straight people had hoped to erase me as a Gay
Man. It saddens me that parts of the community seems to be trying to erase my
identity as a Gay man as well. But hell no! Not on my watch. So I posted “For a
few it may be fluid but for many more Gay Men that I know it is not and we were
born that way... Politically sexual fluidity gives support to the religious
right that people are making a choice...a bad choice with social
consequences... I was married to a woman for ten years and all that time I was
a Gay man... Sexual orientation is who we are sexually attracted to and with
whom we fall in love....This guy from New York replied to my post They still
have no argument. It doesn't matter whether you were born this way or not. You
are an adult and have the right to make a choice to live as you choose and it's
none of any churches business. I choose to be with the person I love. That
choice is strength. No choice makes us out to be victims and tells people that
if we did have a choice we would choose to be "normal." I responded
back, “True, the idea of choice should be enough and someday it may be but I
want my rights now, codified by
immutable qualities. Who I am as a Gay Man is not by choice. The clothes I
wear, the job I perform, what I want for breakfast are choices. Any future
entity can someday say I am making the wrong choice by choosing to be Gay. The
fact is that it is NOT a choice for most people. If it were then absolutely
people would have chosen NOT to be Gay in the 1960's 70's and 80's when
society, family, religion and peers condemned us and AIDS was ravaging us.
People went through shock treatments, conversion therapy, and when all else
failed attempted suicide to be "normal". We even continued to make
love to each other although it was killing us. This sexual fluidity concept
seems to harken back to the idea that being Gay is simply something you do and
not who you are. Being a Gay Man is not a verb it’s a noun. Society changes and
it can change back to heterosexual normative in a blink of an eye. Weimar
Republic in Germany was the most Gay progressive country in the world before
1930. But when National Socialism came to power in the 1930's it was easy to
round up all the homosexuals because they had registered with the cities they
had lived in. What can't change and is immutable is our sexual orientation and
it should be legally protected. Even
Justice Kennedy sided with us on Gay Marriage because he ruled that the
evidence was that Gay orientation was immutable. By extension this Lesbian
concept of being Gay as a choice it would then be logical to choose to be
straight. As a homosexual man I can
choose to stay in the closet, pretend to be straight, or live openly as a proud
Gay man. What I cannot chose is my desire to only be with men. That is from my
point of view and coming from being a Gay activist who have fought for Gay
people to not be institutionalized and criminalized longer than anyone at the
center, I call this BS. I know from experience that many Lesbian are perhaps
bisexual and can love a man or a woman but It has not been my experience that
men are capable of true emotional bisexuality. Yes men can fuck anything that
moves but it does not mean they love everything that moves. If being Gay is so
fluid why were Gay men then excluded from the Dyke, Trans, and Sexual Fluidity
March last June. Did we as Gay men make the wrong choice to decide to be lovers
of men?” Then another article “The Queers Left Behind: How LGBT Assimilation Is
Hurting Our Community's Most Vulnerable,”
was posted a “growing rift
between mainstream and marginalized LGBT people.” While the gay rights movement in the United
States has achieved a remarkable string of successes over the past several
years, including the invalidation of the Defense of Marriage Act and the
legalization of gay marriage, not everyone within the LGBT community is equally
positioned to take advantage of these successes. After all, although marriage
is a declaration of love, in many ways it is also an expression of
interpersonal stability, economic security and social respectability --
attributes that many marginalized LGBT people do not have. So while love may
have won for middle and upper class gays, many transgender people, queer people
of color and queer homeless youths instead find themselves left behind by a
community that has become increasingly defined by the interests of its white,
cisgender, middle and upper class members. Over a decade ago, this powerful
subsection of the LGBT community decided that the fight for marriage equality
would be the modern cornerstone of the gay rights movement -- and for good
reason. Marriage is an institution of respectability. The fight for gay
marriage suggested that the gay community had grown up, left its radical past
behind and was ready to join mainstream society as a reputable partner. It
dismantled the hypersexual, flamboyant gay stereotype and replaced it with a
more wholesome image that mainstream America found more palatable.” I wrote
back “I have a hard time with any article that uses cisgender as to disparage
people who are not trans. Marriage was NOT an assimilationist goal. It was a
goal we fought very hard for legal protection of our loved ones. This writer
needs to learn who Sharon Kowalski was. I support marriage equality knowing I
will never marry nor want to get married but I should have that choice. This
article promotes the new argument that some Gay people should be seen as the
enemy... "And yet, as middle and upper class gays poured time and money
into the fight for gay marriage, these and other less marketable LGBT issues
were largely forgotten." This statement itself is a lie and a distortion.
Homeless youth and Trans issues are the number one priority of organizations
here in Utah. Who but the middle class and upper class people are pouring funds
into these issues. It’s getting very tiresome listening to how marginalized
some people feel and how Gay white men are the new bad guys... and that nobody
is born Gay and everything is mutable and there is no binary unless it’s the
"cisgender/transgender" binary. Can't these writers find joy and
happiness in other people's joy and happiness? Roger Stephenson Not the enemy,
just unaware. The numbers aren't as great, obviously, in Utah, but hit the
streets of LA or any major metropolis and it IS the case. I will tell you who
is "marginalized"... senior Gays and Lesbians... The very people who
created the modern civil rights movement are back in closets of isolation. We
in Utah are doing things not bitching. We are creating Triads to look after our
elder. If the issue this person is passionate about is a problem then people
should organize to fix it rather than bitch about it and play the victim.
People could take a cue from ACT UP or the old Gay Liberationist movement and
make a change. Roger Stephenson Absolutely. Seniors are marginalized. But
plenty of youth still have the same issues we did, only worse. The problem is,
without the means and a voice, young poor gays don't have a vehicle to organize
or fix their issues. The focus needs to turn to mental health, education etc. I
feel that happening but it is easy to forget, living in a nice place like Utah,
where our community is smaller and closely knit, what it's like living on the
streets, with nowhere to turn... I don't think it's a blame game, I think it
only attests to the plight of LGBTIQQ’s of any class. We have to fight so much
harder for everything. Well it sounds like blame to me. You know Stonewall was
a youth rebellion and to say that youth don't have the means or voice is a cop
out. Hell Queer Nation in Utah which was organized by Curtis was primarily a
youth organization. I lived through the 1970's and 1980's and I can't believe
the youth today have it worse than us. Look at all the resources and legal
protection and acceptance they have today... When I was 18 in 1969 we had to
fight and create every organization that exists today and it was primarily
"cisgender" Gay kids that did it. Nothing was handed to us in Utah
and we didn't complain about being marginalized we organized. With all the
examples and models at their disposal the youth today can do the same. In fact
we will be there to support them but it would be nice to show a little respect
for those who fought and died for the successes today and stop complaining
about the effort that went into Marriage Equality which is blessing for
millions. The young cisgender Rhode
Scholar who wrote this article promotes false conclusions. He states
"After all, although marriage is a declaration of love, in many ways it is
also an expression of interpersonal stability, economic security and social
respectability -- attributes that many marginalized LGBT people do not have. So
while love may have won for middle and upper class gays, many transgender
people, queer people of color and queer homeless youths instead find themselves
left behind by a community that has become increasingly defined by the
interests of its white, cisgender, middle and upper class members." So
Marriage equality is not available to transgender people, queer people of color
and queer homeless youths? "Marriage is an institution of
respectability." Oh really I thought marriage first and foremost was about
love and legal protection of creating a new family unit. Married couples still
struggle with discrimination, health issues, and financial problems. They might
be different than those issues of trans folks and gay people of color and
homeless youth but they are just as real and pressing for them. I would think
addressing sexism, racism, and income inequality would be a better use of
energy than pitting one part of the community against the other. Our Gay Men
Aloud group is taking off. Within two days of posting it we had 110 men join. I
sign the rental agreement with Dennis McCracken at the Church and picked up a
key this week, We are meeting the 1st and 3rd Monday of each month in the
cultural hall. We talked about creating Triads for senior Gay men who do not
have any support to check in and watch over each other. Gay home teachers LOL.
We planned out a schedule for the first quarter until January. There is so much
we can discuss but the most important element for me is building a sense of
community again among the Gay men who fill shut out from the Pride Center and
the youth culture. We are recreating our own tribe again. Sisters doing it for
themselves LOL. Well I am done ranting
for a while. I miss you. I watched some
of Vicious. It’s a hoot. I cheered when Audrey was booted off. Did you know
that she didn’t have to eat “slop” that the other team members had to eat? She
got pizza and other foods because she was having issues. And then not showing up for the nomination
ceremony was egregious. But she’s special I suppose. Like Animal Farm said all
animals are equal but some are more equal than others. I am, as I ever was, and
shall ever be your friend Ben
·
Benedgar
regarding Gay Men Aloud- This what I wrote for detail on our 1st Meeting Sept
21.... Changes additions suggestions? "Organizational Meeting to Introduce
Directors Charles Lynn Frost, Kent Scadlock, and Ben Williams -for you to get
to know us and we you. Informal meeting however we will like to have some input
on how we'd like to see this group grow so as to meet the needs of mature Gay
Men. Seeking volunteers to help implement the goal of this group, which is to
build friendships, be of service, and have fun. "
·
Charles
Lynn What do you two think of these as an event holder until we get final logo,
etc. I think the stylized hands with GAY MEN ALOUD could be quite effective and
could be made in various sized versions. Thoughts?
·
Benedgar
I liked the first one but my first impression was Arches National Park... I
really like the simple hand clasping...it could mean a range of expressions,
friendship, supportive, love
·
Charles
Lynn This from Robert Edward Cross: Dear Charles, thank you for adding me to
Gay Men Aloud. This is the very group that i have wanted to see formed. The
Group the pride center has failed to serve. I am looking forward to the
meetings and will be happy to help in any way am able. –Rob
·
Charles
Lynn I do think we've tapped into a great need, we always knew it was needed,
but I am so happy that gay men are ready for this.
·
Charles
Lynn Mature means, ready to discuss the challenging issues, the elements that
are shapers of our lives, and how we can support and be Gay male community.
·
Kent
Scadlock I'm liking what both of you have stated. Charles' definition of Mature
really brings our purpose into focus. Thank you both!!
·
Benedgar...Here
are changes to the Details for the opening meeting... "Important first
meeting to introduce organizers, Kent Scadlock, Charles Frost and Ben Williams
and to discuss the aspirations of Gay Men Aloud. The meeting will be for you to
get to know us, each other, and we you. We want to hear your input on how you
would like to see this group grow so as to meet the wants and needs of our Gay
Men tribe. We will be seeking volunteers willing to help implement the goal of
this alliance, which is to build friendships, be of service, and have fun.
29 July 2015 Wednesday
30 July 2015 Thursday
31 July 2015 Friday
AUGUST
1 August 2015 Saturday Lammas
I feel like I am being blessed for past good
deeds. Happy Lammas Celebrating the first harvest...So many have lost touch
with working in the soil that this ancient holiday is not even recognized
anymore... It's a cross quarter day midway between 1st day of Summer and 1st
day of Fall...I love the month of August and the winding down of Summer labors
and play. Named for the founder of the Roman Empire Caesar Augustus... It's
overlooked for lack of major holiday or celebration... So it's up to us to make
magick. My tomatoes are red, my squash is yellow, the bees are swarming my
Russian Sage in its lavender majesty, and my herb garden perfumes my yard. St.
Fiacre Patron saint of herb and vegetable gardens has watched over my little
plot of land this summer. Soon I will be gathering seeds to store over the
winter for spring planting. I went to Ogden’s first Gay Pride Day today with
Chuck Whyte. I thought it would just be small event and a quick walk through
but it was great and well attended. Jeff Lensman and his committee did a
fabulous job... Michael Romero came up with Coco so we hung out and watched the
drag shows put on by the Northern Rainbow Court. They did a fine entertaining
job. It was sweet to see a little kid going up to the stage to hand them money
for the cause they were raising money for.
Didn’t see a whole lot of SLC people supporting and none of the
Board of Pride Center except for Matt
Landis who I think came mostly to hang out with Troy Williams. After coming
home from Ogden, I got ready to go meet Alan Anderson who invited me to go see
The Book of Mormon since he had a spare ticket because Kyle Daniels took off to
go to Hilton Head in South Carolina on an invite by his cousin. Alan was upset
of course but the tickets were part of his season package so it was not like he
went out and bought tickets especially for Kyle and him. Besides Kyle had
already seen it before so it was my good fortune because Kyle was being a butt.
Our party was made up of Becky Moss, Jandy and her friend Andy who I finally
realized was a Trans male. I guess Alan just bought himself a new car and it
was a tight fit because all of us are hefty people but proud to say I was
probably the lightest, which doesn’t say much. First we ate at Benihana before
the show . and I had never eaten at a Benihana before so that was a unique
experience. The food was good but I think you eat there for the show the chef
puts on twirling and clanging his spatula while he prepares the meal on a grill
in front of you. I bought my own dinner since Alan provided me a ticket for BoM
and it was almost $30 with the tip. I
know like I am being a cheapskate but eating out has never had that much appeal
for me. I sat next to Becky and it was
good catching up with her...we did a weekly radio show for 7 years together...
She hates her new job down in Utah County and especially the two hour drive
down and back every day. I did not know that she had her pancreas removed so
she spends a fortune on insulin because her insurance doesn’t kick for a few
months. Well Alan had orchestra seats so we sat two rows back from the
orchestra pit and were so close we could see the dancing boys sweat... My stub
said it was a $90 ticket and yet if you did not have a season pass the seat
would have been $160! I was so lucky to see the Book of Mormon here in SLC where the audience cheered and
laughed getting all the nuances that I imagine other audiences in other cities
would not have gotten. ...it was a magical night this first day of Lammas with
bright blue moon shining over the city. I love my adopted home Crossroads of
the West. The kid who played Elder Cunningham is an actor named AJ Holmes and
he was terrific absolutely outstanding. Well so was Elder Price.
·
Roland
Ron Holmgren You have such neat friends. Was the show what you expected?
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Edgar
Ben Williams And more... The sets, the dancing elders, some gay subtext, it was
a tremendous production... One of the best shows I had ever seen and AJ Holmes
and Billy Tighe were just so great...all the elements of a great musical...
Even tap dancing
·
Bill
Poore You never pay for anything, shows, dinners. I really have to start
putting out more. "I Believe" I think I am going to join a church.
·
Doug
Murri Glad you got to see BofM. It really is a well done musical. Thanks to
Elder Alan Anderson, we're going to be seeing it in SLC next Sunday. I'm so
excited to experience the energy of a local audience at the show. Glad you
enjoyed it..
·
Bill
Poore of course he enjoyed it, Elders dancing and singing in the black and
whites....this man went to BYU, it was for the black and whites.
·
Edgar
Ben Williams I can't help that I have a garment fetish
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Richard
P. Butler Seems to me you have a retirement fetish as well.
·
Terrie
Williams sounds like a wonderful evening. Love that retirement is fitting so
well into your schedule. gives me hope that soon i too will get that enjoyment.
we just got to keep taking good care of our bodies.
2 August 2015 Sunday
I drove down to Gunnison today to see Kyle.
Entering into Gunnison there was lightning strikes and dark clouds but the trip
down was rather uneventful. For some reason it too almost 15 minutes to have
the guard at the gate get the 4 cars waiting processed in and it started to
sprinkle. I gave the correctional officer inside the facility the renewal form
for visitation. Every year you have to fill out a new form and mine was about
to expire. Even though I reached Gunnison at 12:30 it was 1 p.m. before I went
through all the channels to get into the visitors room. At one point waiting to
go in the power went off in the prison and everything went black but within
seconds the power came back. Kyle was not expecting to see me but he was so
glad because he had been so worried about me. He tried calling a few times last
Thursday but I must not have heard the phone. He was afraid I was in the
hospital or something happened to me and no one would let him know. I was
touched by how concerned he was. I told him about going to see The Book of
Mormon and he was so excited for me and I told him why I hadn’t written because
of not being able to print on the laptop and I still haven’t gotten window 10
on my new desk top. We had a good visit… just chit chatting and catching him up
on local gossip The time as always went by to quickly and I held him in my arms
as long as I could then said goodbye. It was raining when I left Gunnison and I
hit patches of rain all the way home. It was a summer storm and it made air
smell so sweet. I made good time coming home. Two hours driving down, two hour
visit, and two hours coming home. . The Book of Mormon play touched something
in me and reawakened some old feelings when I once was a Mormon myself.
3 August 2015 Monday
Chuck called me this morning asking for a ride
for a doctor’s appointment because of an issue with his foot again. I got on
the 215 because it's the fastest way into the city when about a mile east of
Redwood Road all traffic came to a screeching halt...normally it takes me 15
minutes to get to Chucks condo in the city but after sitting for 15 minutes and
hearing sirens screaming I called my ex Mike to go pick Chuck up for his
appointment. The southbound ramp to I 15 was shut down and they were diverting
all traffic to the northbound lane going to Ogden...it was a crawl to 6th north
but by that time Mike was able to fetch Chuck up to the hospital...took me 35
minutes to go 2 miles...I am sure some jerk was speeding in this rain where the
ramp drops from 65 miles to 45 miles and that's in good weather. When he was done
with his appointment I went back into the city to pick him up…So it was a
Busier day than I planned taking Chuck his appointments ... But I managed to
straighten the house so it's presentable for dinner and movie night with Seth
and Michael. Except for sitting on the freeway for 35 minutes I am loving this
drenching steady rain... Feels like an autumn rain more than a summer shower.
Yesterday on my ride south there was thunder and lightning with summer storm
clouds that changed the ions in the air and made the air smell so sweet. Great
to be alive and breathing in the rich air...I had a wonderful evening with good
friends, good food, and a good movie. I fixed a farewell dinner for J Seth
Anderson and Michael Adam Ferguson as they make a backwards Mormon migration to
New York. They wanted to watch a movie with me once more before heading east.
Michael is doing a post doctorate internship in Ithaca New York. For dinner I
roasted a chicken stuffed with herbs from my garden, baked a macaroni and
cheese dish for Seth since he's a vegetarian, butter sautéed summer squash from
the garden, fresh green beans with mushrooms, fried yams, fried okra, and a
garden salad with tomatoes from the garden. I also invited Bill Poore to dinner so he could
share his experience living in NYC during the AIDS crisis because we watched
Longtime Companions in the movie room. I also invited my ex Mike over for
dinner but he didn't stay for the movie for Gay Men of my generation the film
is too hard to watch... He worked on getting my computers up and running again.
For Bill and I we had to fight back our feelings but for Seth and Michael I
think it was much more of a history lesson because they never had to experience
their friends dying or live in fear you might be infected too. After all this
time the emotions the film elicits are still raw... But it was really a great
evening. Seth is coming back in October for about a month and I said he could
use the downstairs bedroom if he needed to.
·
J
Seth Anderson Thank you, Ben! We'll do another night when we are back in
October. Edu-gay-tion night with Edgar Ben Williams, Michael, and Bill Poore.
We watched "Longtime Companion." I also brought my fruit pizza cuz
we're all a bunch of fruits. It's my way of saying thank you and goodbye (for
now) to Ben. (Sugar cookie crust, cream cheese frosting, and all those fruits.)
·
Roland
Ron Holmgren My best friend, Duane, was diagnosed with AIDS when I took him to
see "longtime Companion". I didn't want him to see it, but he
insisted. He thanked me afterwards. I watch it periodically, but it is still,
after this time, painful to watch. Every time you describe your menus, I
slobber over my tablet. You set a fine table. Nice that you had such a nice
send off for your friends.
·
Bill
Poore The dinner was really great Ben.....I loved it all especially the
veggies.
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Ruadhan
O'Sheridan I still bawl when I watch Longtime Companion.
4 August 2015 Tuesday
After the baiting and killing of a tame lion
named Cecil in Africa by a pathetic dentist from Minnesota there’s an increased
awareness of the atrocity of big game hunting actually any killing for
sport....hunting for game to put food on the table is quite different from
wealthy psychopaths who kill for sport... How are they any different than the
sick individuals that take pleasure in killing or maiming dogs and cats? One of
my great grand uncles named John Williams “of Albemarle County, North Carolina
filed a deed in 1720 giving to James Blount 10 acres “for love and affection I
bear my neighbor”. There is no known blood relationship between the two men and
the term “love and affection” is general reserved for kinship or "very
close friends." Evidently John Williams had a special fondness for James
Blount, a Tuscarora Indian who in 1736 was chosen as King of the Tuscarora
Nation. John Williams died in 1722 at the age of 30 unmarried.
·
Bill
Poore-Did you see the Mormon Church released a picture of the seer stone Joseph
used to translate the Book of Mormon with along with one of the original copies
of the hand written book...It was really funny watching church leaders talk
about this scared stone.....
·
Me- Yes I did LOL Smith involvement with folk magic took a new
turn after learning from his neighbor, Sally Chase, that objects could be
located "by means of a `peep-stone' placed in a hat." The stone
became a medium through which Smith could contact the world of spirits. The
notion that Smith was in his early career a practicing medium was later
espoused by several Mormons who also believed in Spiritualism. Thomas Stenhouse,
a Mormon editor of several Salt Lake newspapers, wrote, "the dissenting
Mormons asserted that Joseph was `nothing more than a highly developed Medium',
in the spiritualistic sense of the word." He also wrote "Brigham
Young was in the habit of saying of Joseph that `he was natural born
seer.'" Lorenzo Saunders, Chase's brother-in-law claimed: "Well I
will tell you they did dig; Willard Chase & Alvin, the one that died; they
dug before Alvin died [in 1823]. Willard Chase told me about a place…They dug
that hole for money. Chases and Smiths altogether was digging it" (12) It
was here during this treasure hunt on Chase's property that Joseph Smith
discovered his own "peep stone". Deep in the hole Smith found a
peculiar, round stone, which he announced to his companions, was a "peep
stone".
·
Bill
- what a joke, I am just dumb folded that these people believe this
crap....that is the main reason I have no respect for Mormons....they are
sheep.....The Temple ceremony is a joke. dumbfounded.....I didn't type that
word dumb folded....
5 August 2015 Wednesday\
I hope people slept better than I did last
night. Some pesky mosquitoes got into the house last night and had a feast on
me... Legs ankles fingers itched so much... Finally slathered myself with
calamine lotion. Not a pretty girl or a happy camper. Why am I so delicious?
Greek tonight for dinner pork Shikibo’s, pita bread, and salad with Greek
dressing and a glass of sangria...I get the distinct impression that Bisexuals
and Trans are upset with Gay men and Lesbians. “The leading bisexual dating
site BisexualFish.com has removed thousands of gay and lesbian profiles because
it has decided that it will not allow gays and lesbians to be part of their
dating community. “We want to reiterate that our service is only for people who
are attracted to both men and women,” said Marshall, founder of
BisexualFish.com. “We just want to provide a place where everyone has the same
orientation”
·
Bill
my little missionary from Taiwan finally contacted me, the gay boy. He is in Ohio for the summer, wants to talk
to me. He is going to the Y in the Fall. I told him I know a lot of ex missionaries
that went to the Y who are not non Mormons and living a totally queer life. He
didn't want to hear it. I told him he
was just delaying a decision he will have to make sooner or later. He still plans on getting married in the
Temple and having children....
·
Me-Well
growing up takes time
·
Bill
Poore, where are you
·
Alan
Anderson Without me?
·
Roland
Ron Holmgren Yum. Love Greek food.
·
Edgar
Ben Williams Home ... I can cook you know
·
Bill
Poore You know Greek food is my favorite, just ask my Greek Veteran friends at
the pool. I am always asking where is the best place to go. I love lamb and
feta cheese
·
Edgar
Ben Williams I won't eat baby anything unless it's baby Swiss cheese
6 August 2015 Thursday
I need to start shutting the bathroom door.
Poor Daisy will climb into the bathtub to lay on the cool porcelain but by the
time I find her back legs get so stiff or fall asleep that it hurts her to get
out and when I help her she cries like I'm hurting her. Buddy will lay on the
bathroom rug to be near his sister. They are both 10 and a half years old now
and their hind legs are not as strong as they use to be... I think all Terriers
have weak hind legs because the bend them behind them so as to crawl down holes
which is what they were bred for. I Had
an appointment with these pharmacy workers at the Redwood Road Clinic about
managing my diabetes. I have to test myself twice a day so I can report into to
them. So I am on a very low carb regiment right now. Four hours in the front
yard this afternoon. I planted three 5 gallon containers of black eyed Susans
and 3 five gallon pots of purple cone flowers in the front yard. Then dug up
all my day lilies separated the bulbs and replanted them where they get more
sun. I went out to Deseret Perennials way out on California and 56th West to
get my perennials... That is a dangerous place. I could spend a lot of money
there. They only sell Utah climate adapted perennials. I washed old Ruby Red my
PT Cruiser today because whatever was all over the road Monday during that rain
splashed up onto the car. When I took Coco home to Mikes I saw a baby mouse
across the street in the gutter. He was just going around and around and could
not get back up where there were grasses. I think the little fellow may have
even been blind so I scooped him up and put him where there was food to let him
live out his natural life however short that might be...all creatures great and
small
·
Terrie
Williams one time i had a mouse in the house. it appeared when i was watching
tv. it came out from behind my entertainment center and just froze, 'like,
yikes what do i do now? i got a bag and scooped him up and took him across the
street where there were plenty of bushes and set him free.'...it must be in the
genes
·
Tracy
L Johnson-Faulkner Bless you for touching a rodent.
·
Edgar
Ben Williams When Mike and I bought this place nearly 20 years ago after
planting all my shrubs, trees, and grass, started having a mole varmint
burrowing and eating the roots. I took a hose and put it in a hole and turned
the water on and up popped this water dazed critter...Mile said for me to kill
it and I said no you kill it but neither one had the heart so I scooped him up
in a glass container and we drove over to the Jordan River and set him free
where there were plenty of food. Felt bad evicting him from his home but we
didn't want to kill him just wanted him to stop eating all our hard work lol
50 years ago Lyndon B Johnson signed the Voting
Act of 1965... He didn't just sign it... He made it happened. He strong
armed... Cussed out Southern politicians, everything but blackmail to get this
law passed and now the GOP members of the Supreme Court wants to gut it... LBJ
was one of the greatest Civil Rights presidents but is only remembered for the
Vietnam Nam War that he inherited.
So many
people seem to be bent out of shape over the new Stonewall movie...I don't
recall people's underwear up in the ass about the movie Stonewall that came out
in the 1990s...it's just a movie but some are pissed that it doesn't show
Sylvia Rivera and Marsha Johnson leading the charge... Well maybe it's because
they didn't... Read the police reports and not some revisionist history to push
a politically correct agenda.
·
Bill
Poore Well this movie from what I could see from the trailer is a low budget
film around a new kid in town, not historically correct but low budget...did
everyone hear that . This is not the great movie about Stonewall.....and in the
fall is a new movie called "Happy Birthday Miss Marsha" which is
showing Sylvia and Miss Marsha leading the riots....It is supposed to be about
Miss Marsha's birthday and they go to the Stonewall to celebrate....in fact it
was my good friend Yvonne Ritters 18 birthday that night, she was there and
arrested.
·
Edgar
Ben Williams It plays better if two Trans are there
·
Ruadhan
O'Sheridan So, just wondering, who started the riot and what role did Sylvia
and Miss Marsha play in all of this? I am reading all kinds of things around
Facebook, but you seem to be the BEST source since you were there, Bill.
·
Bill
Poore I was on the streets that night but not in the Village....Sylvia was for
sure there as was Miss Marsha but it was the street kids that started the
riots. It was a riot, it just started. Ruadhan O'Sheridan Cool. Now I am not
trying to cross examine you here or anything, but in a post yesterday or the
day before to one of Ben's posts on this movie, and I may be wrong, I thought
you said that Miss Marsha was not there at the beginning and that Sylvia left
to get her and bring her back. Am I remembering that correctly or am I full of
it?
·
Ruadhan
O'Sheridan Basically, what I am trying to understand is how the trans folks are
trying to take credit for something they should not here.
·
Bill
Poore Well that is what Miss Marsha said about going to get Sylvia, Sylvia was
a force of great activism. The riots lasted for three nights and the crowds got
bigger each night, flyers were passed out, no one group can take credit, it was
the community fighting rights,. I lived in the Village, there was no division
like we have in SLC, we really were a family fighting the establishment. This
cis gender thing is just another form of discrimination
·
Ruadhan
O'Sheridan This guy pretty much speaks for me about the whole CIS label. You
might like what he has to say, too. I Am NOT Cisgendered
·
Bill
Poore I like this, again gay men were not part of the conversation. I am not
cis gender , I am Gay , a Fag, a queer, stop trying to rename me
·
Greg
Tracie Aviary Hardin Can't wait to see it I'll try not, "to keep my
underwear up my ass!" Hugs!
·
Edgar
Ben Williams The riot happened because of the mood of the crowd outside the bar
not by anything inside it. The arrest of people as they were being placed in
the paddy wagon ignited the frustration of the mostly young antiestablishment
street kids. It was a full moon, it was hot and humid, lots of people up at
night, Judy Garlands funeral had just happened. It was not a Trans riot. The
angry mood of the crowd escalated and started throwing money and booing the
police who sensed the anger and they retreated back into the bar. The crowd
attacked the bar thawing trash cans, pulled up a parking meter as a battering
ram threw rocks and bricks and tried to burn the place. The police called for backup
and we're ready to shoot if the crowd broke into the bar. It was not a Trans
riot it was a homosexual riot...the people there identified as homosexuals and
not as Trans ... That came later. The riot was estimated at being nearly 400
people...nearly all angry young homosexual males who were itching for a
fight...the next night straight men joined the fight but mostly to loot and
fight cops... In no way were Rivera and Johnson the catalyst for the riot as
the revisionist Trans would have you believe. They hate this movie because it
doesn't support their co-opting Stonewall as their event instead of the
catalyst of Gay Liberation...I am amazed at how many young people believe that
Stonewall was a Trans event. Tell a lie enough and people will believe it. If anyone
was a catalyst it may have been the dyke Fowler who hit one of the police while
being arrested. Both Rivera and Johnson had severe mental health issues and
depended on the charity of others. They were great at rabble rousing but not at
organizing a revolution The mayor Lindsey was trying to clean up NYC for his
next election and was putting pressure on the police to clear out the
degenerates
·
Bill
Poore There were raids all the time in the Village area, the unique thing about
Stonewall is it was protected because it was Mafia owned and the cops didn't
bother it however that hot summer night they did.
·
Ruadhan
O'Sheridan Thank you both for this extra insight. I don't understand why trans
people would try to co-opt this. It seems like there is more and more tension
building up between LG people and T people.
·
Jim
Fouratt I have been asked what i think of the use of the word"cis".
OK I will bite the bullet' I view the word "cis" as hate language .
used to divide people and use collective shame to empower a very small minority
of people who cannot even agree on a definition of Trans. I don't use it and
refuse to engage with politically correct people who are well intended and
thoughtless. Once again a word birthed in the privileged world of academia
7 August 2015 Friday
I am bone tired tonight. I restrung my rope
lights around the hot tub and cleaned up leaves all over the deck. I even hung
a Japanese lantern also from the rafter. Then about 1:30 I went over to Mike’s
place thinking he’d be at work but he was home so he helped me trim his trees
and bushes in his yard and the across his street where there is a 5 foot strip
that has never been cleaned up so I pulled weeds, cut down elm weed trees, trim
bushes and hoed to work the rock hard ground. I worked about 3 hours and filled
up his one trash can and we threw the rest of the debris into the back of my
pickup to haul to the dump tomorrow. I
was wanting to sit in the hot tub but the wind was coming up something fierce.
It was this time of year that a tornado hit downtown about 16 years ago. As I
was sitting down to type more of Joseph Smith’s Looking Glass I noticed the
wind coming up and then a terrific storm hit...but by 7:30 the wind died down
although it kept raining I think for most of the night
·
Me
to Bill Poore What are you doing tomorrow?
·
Bill
Nothing, have a lunch on Sunday but free tomorrow.
·
Me-You
want to go out to the dump with me tomorrow and I will fix you a Greek lunch
·
Bill
Sure where is the dump? What time do you
want me to come over. You don't need to
fix me lunch though.
·
Me-
I already have it ready. Just reheat and a salad. The dump is about 72nd west
and California (13th South) let’s eat first about noon
·
Bill So you want me to be there around 12? We could go earlier if you wish. I have to
find my butch gloves.....
·
Me
-Well the dump is messy so we might want to eat first. I have pork shiskabobs,
salad with Greek dressing, cucumbers and pita bread.
·
Bill
-So you want me there at what time?
·
Me-
Let’s say noon ,,, have a little lunch leave at 12:30 be back by 1:30
·
Bill
-ok will be there at 12, wow I can’t believe all the post I am seeing on this
film, with trans screaming their heads off.
I just had to straighten out a straight girl student I knew at the
U....She posted a link by this tran in Wash state that really is attacking the
lgbt community for not telling the truth....
·
Me-
Sick fucks
·
Bill
Poore I was wondering when the storm would arrive. The news sort of had it
moving west of SLC.
·
Edgar
Ben Williams It's raining to beat the band here with lots of wind
·
Bill
Poore it is raining here [Liberty Park] as well, now I don't need to water the
lawn.
·
Denise
Wachs We are getting it big here [Arizona] too! Heidi, mom and I had dinner
with the patio door open to enjoy the rain and thunder. I pulled the meat off
the BBQ just as the down pour came on.
·
Edgar
Ben Williams Monsoon
·
Roland
Ron Holmgren Send some here. [Kearns]
·
Kevin
Scott I was pretty worried about Jose, driving from Provo (with an uncovered
mattress in the back of his truck). Thankfully he made it, passing through a
bunch of accidents.
·
Beau
Chaine' Yes! That tornado pushed my old VW van against a tree or it would have
rolled over! LOL
·
Roland
Ron Holmgren You worked on your ex's yard. And across the street? You are a
nice guy.
·
Edgar
Ben Williams Got tired of looking at his weeds when I take Coco home LOL
8 August 2015 Saturday
Another very full day...this morning I had to
clean up after the storm which blew
branches and twigs everywhere all over the deck and yard...then about
noon Bill Poore came over and we had some lunch before heading out to the
county dump. He likes Greek Food so I
warmed up some Pork Shiskabobs, made a salad, and served pita bread. I didn’t
need to go to the dump because I could have dumped all of Michaels yard waste
over by the railroad tracks behind the freeway which is just overgrown weeds
but I thought it would be good to get Bill out of the house and take a drive
even if out to the county dump. It was a beautiful clear day after the storm
and all the mountains looked so bright and new, not hazy. After Bill went home
I transplanted some my herbal lemon grass in the front yard because I like how
they leaf out. The I decided to pulled weeds dig all the growth that liked to
grow in the driveway. It took a while but it really cleaned up the driveway.
Compulsive I know but it looks pretty. I
guess the Polynesians finally laying sod across the street at Jay and Gisella’s
old place made me want to do a lot more on my yard. After that I drove into tow
to deliver some squash and tomatoes to Charles Frost because I wanted to see
their new puppy Cash...so damn adorable. I didn’t stay all that long because I
need to get home and fix a Greek dinner for Alan Anderson and Kyle Daniels.
Ever since I posted on FB that I made Greek Shiskabobs people been wanting
them. They came over about 7:30 and
brought Corky and Bhani (Bonnie) over too because I have a party house for the
hound dogs... and Alan brought some
caramel apple vodka that was tasty when mixed with 7 UP was really tasty. I made
up a fresh batch of Shiskabobs, a good salad, yellow squash from my garden
sauté with a red bell pepper and mushrooms. I also made a Greek yogurt and
cucumber salad. I fried the pita bread in garlic butter so we had a feast. Kyle
really wanted to hot tub but I could tell Alan was hesitant and wanted to watch
a movie instead. Unfortunately I had given all my movies to Michael to copy
since he lost his drive but I showed them a clip from The Damned that showed
the Night of the Long Knives and then we watched Buster Keaton's Classic The
General since neither of them had seen it. Nearly 90 years old and holds up to
day as a great story and comedy. Kyle Daniels’s
allergies were really bad tonight but otherwise fun company and nice ending to
a long day... I love August. Doug Cartier Tollstrup blindsided me with a
message on a comment I made on one of his posts that was innocent and he took
offense so I set my FB so that I can’t see any of his posts.
·
Douglas
Cartier-hey Ben, your comment about trans and the pic of Courtney, Kennedy and
me makes no sense. How come you only
comment on anything I post unless you're trying to be funny or rude?
·
Edgar
Ben Williams I didn't mean to be rude or funny please delete I just meant that
everything is being turned into a trans issue these days... I am sorry if I
offended you... I have too much respect for you
·
Douglas
Cartier, well, I didn't even get it, but I wasn't sure what you meant. no offense, just wondered.
·
Alan
Anderson Thank you so much for the wonderful dinner. And the pups love Auntie
Bens.
·
Bill
Poore See Alan and Kyle get a movie, I get the dump.
·
Charles
Lynn Frost Thanks for the garden produce, much appreciated, we had some for
dinner. Cash kept wandering to the door after you left. He knows there's a dog
story behind you!
·
Edgar
Ben Williams Dogs love the way I smell... people might not though LOL but most
the time I prefer dogs anyway. So less judgmental
9 August 2015 Sunday
I slept in until almost 9 am this morning after
going to bed after midnight. I fixed me a breakfast of 3 scrambled eggs with
chopped ham, red bell pepper, and Swiss cheese with one slice of butter toast
and jam and coffee. Then I did the dished up from yesterday’s dinner party, put
on a couple loads of wash. Typed a little before heading over to Michael’s
place to finish weeding and I transplanted some of his ground covering and
planted some Russian Sage across the street
from his place which belongs to the city but he’s responsible for. I
worked for about three hours and it was pretty nice outside, not hot at all.
Came home and ate some lunch but I forget to test my blood before eating so I
tested it afterwards. While I only had a BLT sandwich with two strips of bacon
my blood sugar registered 275! Yikes. In
the afternoon I worked getting the desk computer working again and the printer
on line. I finally sent Kyle his letter that I wrote back on the 28th of July.
I need to get him a more current one but I also need to get my journal up to
date. I didn’t see anyone today and only talked to Mike after he came home from
Evanston and that was on the phone to remind him to water the Russian Sage. I
guess he missed the huge storm Friday but it did rained on him. So that’s
that. At Smith’s they are roasting
Hatch’s green chilies like they do this time of year. It smells so great!
·
Me
to Bill Poore - How was your lunch?
·
Bill-
it was great, it is always uplifting to be around her. She is so smart, and full of energy, very
special woman totally unlike the trans.
·
Me
-I am glad she give you good positive energy
·
Bill-
I don't think the U will be able to keep her, she leaves for Chicago tomorrow
to work on a show, back to start her classes then leaves again.
·
Me
-Well enjoy her while you can
·
Bill
- A college in Penn wants her to come Spring Semester, I know she is looking
around.
·
Me-
Utah doesn't have a lot to offer a talented Black woman
·
Jim
Foureatt- A Gay man who was actually at Stonewall that night and a historic
figure in the founding of Gay Liberation had this to say about the movie
Stonewall and some in the Trans Community who is calling to boycott it because
it doesn't follow their narrative of the events "So there is this new movie that just
popped up with the advance hype machine at play .. It is called Stonewall the
Movie. Directed by an established Hollywood director and written by an award winning
Broadway (serious plays) writer. Most people know I was at the first night
starting at 10:30 when it actually began and the three nights after that
included the founding of the Gay Liberation Front a multi-issue political group
that rejected single issue politics and made up of women and men reflecting a
needlepoint of diversity (race, gender, age and what we use to say was class) /
So a few friends have already asked me directly and here on FB. what did I
think of it. I have not seen the film , just the trailer; so here is a
pre-first look response that is a little all over the place : Oh Justin: I have not seen the film, only the
trailer and will reserve final judgement until I do. But please, the same old
bull: bricks or stones on Christopher Street., Oh please! Neither Sylvia
Rivera, nor Bob Kohler were there that first night, (did you hear that David
France ????) The dreadful David Carter fantasy book (Stonewall Riot) of a young
white runaway boy, the non-vetted ramblings of John O'Brien who no one I know
who was there ever saw (it was not a large crowd that first night),
confabulates a false narrative starring his butch f .the lies of the cops that
Carter believed and the lack of any independent research ...I have not changed
my story since 1969. Told it in Martin Duberman's STONEWALL,I have always
rejected the idea of a riot .. I have used the word rebellion on Charlie Rose
and Stephen Colbert and in books and documentaries . Does the truth matter, I
ask myself? I answer yes but seem very alone in the beautiful room of truth.
Jon Robin Baitz, the writer , is a good playwright. Did he talked to me ? No..
Putting a straight template on the night diminished what actually happened. I
was there. I know what happened from personal experience. … what really makes
me sad ..and see the same thing happening with same sex civil marriage .. our
stories and insights are covered over with heterosexual expectations rather
that discovering what is unique in out contribution to changing history. .. the
one thing I do know it could not be as terrible given the talent involved as
that dreadful STONEWALL movie the BBC and Christine Vachon produced years ago
.. the one that paid Martin Duberman $70,000 for the rights to his book (in
violation of his agreement with the participants) .and then the director and
writer threw it out the window as they only wanted to use the title,..but that
is another story tbc...,
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Jim
Fouratt also made this comment "Folks .. a fire story has erupted already
over a film that no one I know has seen myself included . It is a narrative
film based on a real life event .STONEWALL. I think it is going to be a very
bumpy ride because so many people have invested in a political meaning for the
event (not knowing that for sure) The problem is confabulation and desire has
turned a real event into a myth which is played out not on fact but desire ..
Being there those nights changed my life forever. I have my experience and at
least from point of view and participation can talk to my experience .. When
people lie or present a false narrative I have and will speak up. Myth is
rarely based on fact but heightened reality. I want to see the film to see what
it says . I had nothing to do with it. I do know I tried years ago to intervene
in a BBC film about Stonewall that Christine Vachon was producing .. it was a
depersonalizing experience ... and painful. ..So I suggest we go slow here and
separate fact from fantasy and historical confabulation. I have not posted the
trailer as I do not want to be a pawn in the marketing of a film I have not
seen.
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Roland
Ron Holmgren I don't understand why everyone has their panties in a bunch over
the trailer. If everyone who claims they were there that night, five thousand
were involved in the "riot". It isn't a documentary, it is a
fictional accounting of the nights from what I understand. History is
frequently "changed" by storytellers. Wait, see the film, then pass
judgement. We would like to see our history reported or filmed historically
accurate, but like much of history, isn't always going to happen.
10 August 2015 Monday
Up early this morning to take Chuck Whyte to
his doctor’s appointment to see about his big toe... I know he's worried he'd
lose it... My restless night dims in comparison but something kept biting me
and making me itch so in the middle of the night I stripped my bed completely
threw the mattress covers into the wash and slept in another room... I was
paranoid I might had bed bugs after googling about them... Never had bed bugs
in Utah before... Could be spiders mosquitoes or even something else but waking
up at 2 am with itchy bites is no fun but at least I didn't have to go into
work. Coming come from taking Chuck back home I flipped my mattress and
examined it and sure enough it looked like I had some critters on the mattress.
No expert but appeared to be the dreaded bed bugs. Crap. So I spent the entire
day cleaning my bedroom and doing wash.
I vacuumed the mattress on both sides and in the seams took them all the
captain bed frame…empties all the drawers and threw the clothes down stairs, vacuumed
the carpets, sprayed everything down with a bleach solution, and had to go
through all my papers and stuff. It was an all-day chore and hard work. Miserable day for sure but my bedroom is
becoming spotless. I hope. Tomorrow I will get a bed bug cover for the mattress
to seal it and something to spray the room for bugs and hope I caught this in
time and hasn’t spread to other rooms. I have no idea where they came from. But
I understand it takes weeks to eradicate them.
While moving things around I put the large flat screen TV in the bedroom
out of the front room. I never have company
here to watch TV and I live alone so I might as well enjoy it. Not sure what to do with the smart TV. So that is my big bed bug adventure. I think
perhaps the warm winter and rainy summer had something to do with the spread
because I never had bed bugs before that I know of. Looking on google I found a fringe Trans
movement called Die Cis Scum. Well Well Well.
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Roland
Ron Holmgren Utah doesn't have fleas, either, I think.
·
Bill
Poore If you have bed bug you should be able to see them. You have to really
spray your mattress.
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Kathy
Riser I remember being up at 4 AM, itching uncontrollably, researching the
"Acarite" web site at the University of Michigan. after catching
little mites on scotch tape and taking them top the vet, I learned we had
poultry mites, probably gotten from birds taking dust baths in my garden, and
me spending so much time out there. Pyrethrin fixed the problem.
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Bill
Poore There was a News special on channel 4 today about bed bugs and
fleas......I didn't think there were fleas in Utah but there are. You know if you got fleas because you will
have bites that really itch, little red bites.
Bed bugs also bite and leave a read mark. If you have fleas you can see them on a white
sheet....they are black very tiny and they jump.....you can also see bed bugs.
fleas lay like a thousand eggs so you need to have someone come in and spray
for them. start with the dogs. you can
check to see if they have them first then you will know if they are in your
house. I was in the hospital for a week
in Calif from a fucking flea bite. In a Pride News Letter the new director was
in a photo at the pool party, all women, not one man and Dayne, Dayne has
worked himself in with the new director.
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Edgar
Ben Williams -I know fleas ... Lived in CA long enough to see my poor dogs
suffer from them... I bathe the dogs pretty regularly and haven't seen anyone
them... I think it's bed bugs. I’ve been cleaning my bedroom all day stripping
all the covering washing all the clothes and sheets that were in the drawers
under the bed...vacuumed the mattress and sprayed everything with a water
bleach mixture... Probably will go buy a mattress bed bug cover and some
pyrethrin but not sure where. Never had bugs before...I wonder if the warm
winter had something to do with it? I have pulled out all my drawers and
vacuumed and sprayed... Hopefully I don't have a bad infestation... I have no
idea where they came from. I saw this new Trans hate group called “Die Cis
Scum.” Evidently it’s a real thing.
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Bill
Poore I watched the YouTube video you sent.....they are mentally ill, freaks,
and this is going to be a much bigger problem than normal gay men like Charles
realize. They will become more obsessed
with this and it will become the message coming out of the Pride Center.....I
will fight cis every time I hear it. If you have bed bugs you can see them in
your mattress, look along the stitching, they are little bugs, and if you are
bitten buy them they will leave a mark.
I mean you could have brought them in from your students...carried on
their clothes, coats, or even your dogs.
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Edgar
Ben Williams My dogs don't go anywhere to come in contact with them... This is
exactly what I meant when I said Cis Gender is just another form of
discrimination.....I mean in these little propaganda pictures, they are calling
us Cis scum ......how much hate and anger is behind that.
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Bill
Poore I saw four Trans at the VA today.....one more uglier than the next....one
with one of those really ugly short wigs the worst clothes , They seem to be
taking over some of the meetings. Really
scary.
·
Edgar
Ben Williams I think instead of saying good bye I will just say Die Cis Scum
Time for bed Die Cis Scum
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Bill
Poore- I hope the bed bugs get you cis
scum. I am going to start call gay men cis scum.
11 August 2015 Tuesday
I went and had a haircut and beard trim. I was
getting rather shabby. Then I went off to Walmart to buy a mattress cover that
is supposed to be bedbug proof. I also bought two new pillows. I don’t think
I’ve been in a Walmart since I bought a couple of plants this spring. Then off
to DI where I bought some pillow cases and a few other things before coming
home and working some more on my bedroom. I bagged up all my clothes in black
plastic bags to put out in the sun hopefully to kill the bugs with heat. The
battle of the bed bugs continues... tore up my whole bedroom, vacuumed
mattresses, carpet, empties all my drawers, washing or bagging every bit of
clothing, sprayed everything with a bleach water solution, getting a mattress
bug cover today and Andy Dalrymple is coming over tomorrow as a reinforcement.
Victory will be mine. The dogs and I slept in the movie room and had a good
night sleep... I don't have a clue where they came from...I wonder if the warm
winter we had last year and the mild and wet summer we have had so far may
contribute to an outbreak of unwanted critters? I try to keep a clean house,
really. I heard on FB that the prison location is going to be 5 miles west of
the airport. Good place for it even if some Salt Lakers are hollering like
stuck pigs. I guess Ralph Becker and
Jackie Biskupski won the Primary and will now face each other in the general
election. I have only had critters twice
in my life and neither were fun. When I was 17 years old I came back to Garden
Grove from spending a summer in Texas. About two weeks after coming home I
started itching like crazy in an area that you aren't supposed to itch in
public. I was looking at an unusual brown speck and picked at it with a tweezer
and I nearly jumped when it moved! I told my folks and dad having been in the
Navy said I picked up crabs. Back then I had to go to the County Health
Department VD clinic and although I went by myself I was embarrassed beyond
belief and they didn't have private offices but just partitions. A doctor
examined me and said yep crabs and gave me A200 solution to wash with and all
my bedding. Now you can buy it over the counter. No one believed that I picked
them up without having sex but I had. I know I must have picked them up from
sleeping in the bed of this 19 year old cowboy friend. Back then boys shared
beds. We did nothing but cuddle...absolutely nothing. LOL... I caught scabies
from my ex- but that's an entirely different story and not as much fun as
cuddling with my calf roping rodeo Cowboy.
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Richard
P. Butler Steam clean the carpets. The steam kills the bugs
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Roland
Ron Holmgren I could write something snarky about inviting those trashy boys
home, but you don't so I won't. Bed bugs has nothing to do with the way you
keep your house. For some reason bed bugs have been equated with cleanliness.
Not true. Some of the finest hotels have had the critters. A while ago, there
was a major outbreak of bedbugs in SLC. I think you probably got them when you
went to see "Book of Mormon". The good LDS folks are known to get
revenge.
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Amy
Barry I had an infestation of clothing moths last year and bought a steamer
that I did the entire upstairs baseboards and there is an attachment for
mattresses and fabric. You are welcome to borrow it. Kelly Byrnes Steam the
mattress as well. Both sides.
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Jamie
Turnbow Diatomaceous Earth: Natural Bed Bug Control Ben go to IFA no matter
where you’re at in the process. .it's the only stuff that actually gets rid of
them. It's natural and it works! I also recommend before you bag your bed you
use this stuff called bed bedblam. It kills them and use duct tape over the
zipper enclosure. If you want info call Deb 8015979308 or I 8019791177 we have
been there and went through the process and can give you ALOT of information.
Chemicals don't help they just slow the growth down for a minute. It's
important you do the research!!! They
are immune to chemical spray
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Andy
Dalrymple Generally, nobody is at fault; they just hitch rides and boom! I am
expert at dealing with them. Have helped various homes.
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Edgar
Ben Williams thanks everyone
12 August 2015 Wednesday
Dear Kyle, I hope this letter finds you well. I am sorry
I have been delinquent writing you but finally got some of my computer problems
worked out hence I was able to send you that letter from July 28th finally. But before I could sit down and write you
another letter I had to tear my bedroom apart. For a couple of weeks I’ve been
bitten by what I thought were mosquitoes getting into the house but Monday I
was bitten on my hands so badly that I search Google for information on bedbugs
and sure enough when I tore all my bedding off and examined the mattress there
were tell tales signs of an infestation. I freaked out because I had never had
bed bugs before and have no clue how they came into the house but I know they
hitchhike. So the last two days I have
been washing load after load of laundry with high heat the only effective way
to kill them. So I took out all my drawers vacuumed them and placed them outside…
bagged everything in my room and placed them in black bags outside so heat will
kill them, completely vacuumed my mattress and head board and spray a bleach
solution on everything. I bought a steam
cleaning machine that will be delivered in a few days but in the meanwhile I am
borrowing Amy’s. It’s a chore and a
process. I will have to do this all again in a couple of weeks when any eggs I
missed hatch. Although I think they are confined to my bedroom because they
suck blood from the host, and they don’t do the dogs because they suck on bare
skin, I am still going to steam clean the rest of the house and furniture to be
safe. So that is the ordeal I am going
through now. Ugh. At least I don’t have
fleas or cockroaches. Since talking to you last I’ve been on this low carb diet
that my doctor has me on. Its killing me
because you know how I like my sweets and breads but got to get my A1c levels
back down and since I had to take Chuck in this week to his doctor because a
chunk of his big toe came off from neuropathy I am being more serious about my
diet. If it doesn’t heal they may have to amputate it. He already lost his baby
toe. He’s extremely worried but he said that his home nurse who is dressing it
says it seems to be healing. I think I told you Charles and Doug got themselves
a new puppy some type of purebred terrier they brought home from Idaho. And of
course his father is the Idaho champion for that breed of dog so he’s a little
Aristocrat. Leave it to Charles not to just have a mutt… but I have to say he
is the cutest, adorable thing. Makes my
schnauzers look like fat German peasants LOL… All the gang seem to be okay.
When I get a little bit of my early retirement money in September I am taking
them down to the vets and having all their teeth cleaned, cysts removed and
generally checkup for the last time. It will probably be around a thousand
dollars for the three of them but at least I am not putting them through
school. Buddy and Daisy will be 11 next March and after that it will be downhill
for them health wise. But I can’t think about that now. This
December it will be 5 years since we put down Smokey and Priscilla. I hope it’s
another 5 years before I have to do that again but I doubt it. Still I want to outlive them so I know they
are taken care of until the end. Lucky
will be my last dog and he’s such a sweet loving boy. I wonder if it’s because
he knows somehow I saved him from the pound. We have been having some fierce
summer storms blowing in the late afternoon.
Hot and sunny and then bam around 5 pm the wind kicks in and storm
clouds gather and then we get a drenching rain but I am not complaining
although my yard’s a mess the next day from all the broken twigs and branches
coming off the Globe Willows. Last week
I went over to Mike Romero’s yard and cleaned up his messy parking strip by the
retaining wall. Trimmed his tree and bushes,
which he has never done since moving into that place about 6 years ago. It was
August 2009 that he moved out after living together since 1993. But all his family is dead now like mine and
he doesn’t communicate with his siblings any more than I do so even if he is a
shit… he’s still family I suppose. He got my computers running after all so I
guess that is why I did his yard work. I pulled so much out of his yard that I
had to take my truck to the dump out west. Speaking of out west I suppose you
heard that the prison relocation committee chose western SLC for the new
prison. There was no doubt in my mind that site would be chosen. The Republicans from Utah County and the south
end of the valley are powerful enough to keep a prison out of their backyard. I
guess it will be built 5 miles west of the airport out where Bare Ass Beach use
to be before Kennecott closed access to the beach off. The comment boards were lit up with Salt
Lakes furious and bemoaning the decision.
I said then set all the prisoners free then no one will have to have a
prison in their back yard. I think I am the only one that thinks the move, if
the prison has to move, to west SLC is a positive thing. I think my awareness is altered by your
experiences. A prison has to be near a lot of supportive resources, like a
hospital, access to lawyers and courts, a reliable source of employees, and
convenient for volunteers to work with inmates, let alone convenient for family
and friends to visit. I know I’d see
you every week if you were in Draper. I
worry if you did get sick what hospital would they send you to? Oh well the land developers who run this
state will do what they want to do with tax payer footing the bill. I am sure
you also heard that Jackie Biskupski and Ralph Becker won the primary for Mayor
and will be up against each other in November. Biskupski is dishing that Becker
made a deal to have the prison relocate to SLC if they allowed SLC to raise
taxes for municipal improvements. Becker is dishing on Biskupski that she
accepted all these free billboard signs from Reagan Signs because they hate
Becker for trying to limit the number of bill boards in the city. Should get nice and nasty before it’s all
over. On one hand Biskupski would make a nice statement on how liberal SLC is
that we will elect a Lesbian raising a black kid but on the other hand there is
something about her demeanor I just don’t like. I can’t put my finger on it.
Maybe it’s that god awful frizzed out hair of hers LOL. I really don’t know who I am voting for
yet.. the one who will do more for the west side I suppose. Derek Kitchen and
Nate Salazar won the 4th District primary beating out Babs DeLay who came in
4th out of 5 candidates. Kitchen got twice as many votes as Salazar. If
Biskupski and Kitchen win in the fall which is likely then the mayor and two
council men will be Gay… Everywhere you look huge four or five story massive
condos and apartments are going up all over this. Makes you wonder where all these people are
going to come from to fill these $1500 a month two bedroom apartments.
Certainly no school teachers, police officers, firemen, or other public sector
workers. That is for sure. Seth and
Michael are off to New York for Michael’s intern at Cornell in Ithaca. They
came over to watch a movie the day after seeing you. We watched Longtime
Companion because they had never seen it. I had Bill Poore over too because he
lived through the epidemic in NYC during the 1980’s. For Bill and I we had to
fight back our feelings watching the film like reliving it but for Seth and
Michael I think it was much more of a history lesson because they never had to
experience their friends dying or having to live in fear you might be infected
too. That is how I and most of my
friends spent the 1980’s and how I spent my 30’s a prisoner of AIDS. After all this time the emotions that the
film elicits are still raw and many men my age just won’t what the movie as
being too painful... But it was really a great evening. Seth is coming back to
SLC in October for about a month and I said he could use your old room
downstairs if he needed to. The latest fuss is over the new movie about
Stonewall that is being released soon. So many Trans-Rads seem to be bent out
of shape over it just from viewing the trailer. I don't recall people's panties
up in their asses about the movie Stonewall that came out in the 1995. It's
just a movie but some are pissed that it doesn't show Sylvia Rivera and Marsha
Johnson leading the charge... Well maybe it's because they didn't... So there is a petition going around on
FB with 20,000 people signing it to
boycott the movie. I tell people to read the police reports and not some
revisionist history that only serves to
push a politically correct agenda. I
swear Trannies are on way too much hormone juice. Bill Poore wrote “Well this
movie from what I could see from the trailer is a low budget film around a new
kid in town, not historically correct but low budget...did everyone hear that .
This is not the great movie about Stonewall.....and in the fall is a new movie
called "Happy Birthday Miss Marsha" which is showing Sylvia and Miss
Marsha leading the riots....It is supposed to be about Miss Marsha's birthday
and they go to the Stonewall to celebrate....in fact it was my good friend
Yvonne Ritters 18 birthday that night, she was there and arrested.” It plays
better to the Millennials if two Trans are there leading the charge. Ruadhan
O'Sheridan wrote “So, just wondering, who started the riot and what role did
Sylvia and Miss Marsha play in all of this? I am reading all kinds of things
around Facebook, but you seem to be the BEST source since you were there, Bill.”
Bill Poore wrote: “I was on the streets that night but not in the
Village....Sylvia was for sure there as was Miss Marsha but it was the street
kids that started the riots. It was a riot, it just started.” Ruadhan
O'Sheridan replied “Cool. Now I am not trying to cross examine you here or
anything, but in a post yesterday or the day before to one of Ben's posts on
this movie, and I may be wrong, I thought you said that Miss Marsha was not
there at the beginning and that Sylvia left to get her and bring her back. Am I
remembering that correctly or am I full of it? Basically, what I am trying to
understand is how the trans folks are trying to take credit for something they
should not here.” Bill Poore answered “ Well that is what Miss Marsha said
about going to get Sylvia, Sylvia was a force of great activism. The riots
lasted for three nights and the crowds got bigger each night, flyers were
passed out, no one group can take credit, it was the community fighting
rights,. I lived in the Village, there was no division like we have in SLC, we
really were a family fighting the establishment. This cis gender thing is just
another form of discrimination.” Ruadhan O'Sheridan wrote “This guy pretty much
speaks for me about the whole CIS label. You might like what he has to say,
too. I Am NOT Cisgendered.” Bill Poore wrote “I like this, again gay men were
not part of the conversation to be called cis. I am not cis gender , I am Gay ,
a Fag, a queer, stop trying to rename me.” Greg Hardin chimed in “Can't wait to
see it I'll try not, "to keep my panties up my ass!" Hugs!” I responded
“The riot happened because of the mood of the crowd outside the bar not by
anything inside it. The arrest of people as they were being placed in the paddy
wagon ignited the frustration of the mostly young antiestablishment street
kids. It was a full moon, it was hot and humid, lots of people up at night,
Judy Garlands funeral had just happened. It was not a Trans riot. The angry
mood of the crowd escalated and started throwing money and booing the police
who sensed the anger and they retreated back into the bar. The crowd attacked
the bar throwing trash cans, pulled up a parking meter as a battering ram threw
rocks and trash and tried to burn down the place. The police called for backup
and we're ready to shoot if the crowd broke into the bar. It was not a Trans
riot it was a homosexual riot...the people there identified as homosexuals and
not as Trans ... That came later. The riot was estimated at being nearly 400
people...nearly all angry young homosexual males who were itching for a
fight...the next night straight men joined the fight but mostly to loot and
fight cops... In no way were Rivera and Johnson the catalyst for the riot as
the revisionist Trans would have you believe. They hate this movie because it
doesn't support their co-opting Stonewall as their event instead of the
catalyst of Gay Liberation...I am amazed at how many young people believe that
Stonewall was a Trans event. Tell a lie enough and people will believe it. If anyone
was a catalyst it may have been the dyke Fowler who hit one of the police while
being arrested. Both Rivera and Johnson had severe mental health issues and
depended on the charity of others. They were great at rabble rousing but not at
organizing a revolution The mayor Lindsey was trying to clean up NYC for his
next election and was putting pressure on the police to clear out the
degenerates.” Bill Poore added “There were raids all the time in the Village
area, the unique thing about Stonewall is it was protected because it was Mafia
owned and the cops didn't bother it however that hot summer night they did.” Ruadhan
O'Sheridan wrote “ Thank you both for this extra insight. I don't understand
why trans people would try to co-opt this. It seems like there is more and more
tension building up between LG people and T people.” Jim Fouratt who participated in the Stonewall Rebellion
and helped form Gay Liberation Front said this regarding the term cisgender, “I
have been asked what i think of the use of the word"cis". OK I will bite
the bullet' I view the word "cis" as hate language: used to divide
people and use collective shame to empower a very small minority of people who cannot
even agree on a definition of Trans. I don't use it and refuse to engage with
politically correct people who are well intended and thoughtless. Once again a
word birthed in the privileged world of academia.” I am, as I ever was, and
shall ever be your friend Ben
15 August 2015 Saturday
I went to the SAGE Summer BBQ at Liberty Park
this evening taking Chuck Whyte with me. Kip Swan should be congratulated
pulling it all together with the help of his partner Doug White. It seemed like
a pretty good turn out and we were packed in at pavilion which was good because
you got to talk to new people... There were lots of food especially store
bought items like potato salad and pastas. I limited myself to no carbs so
fixed a small plate and a piece of chicken and a piece of BBQ pork neither were
very tasty but why complain? It’s a pot luck. I brought a sheet cake I made
with ripe bananas I needed to use up. I had vanilla icing with little candy
confetti sprinkles all over the top.
There were tons of deserts,
mostly store bought , but oddly they only had one table out to put them on so
we had to stack them on top of each other.
The band was great, all male and they didn't over power the
conversations. Kip told me that the
Lesbians were bitching about the all-male band and that few Lesbian names were
being drawn for prizes. LOL. I’d say about
60 percent of the people there were Gay men and 39 percent Lesbians with
1 percent Trans. In fact I only saw two
Trans there but they may have been more. I'd say 300 people more or less turned
out on a warm but pleasant summer evening.
I was surprised that Mike and Coco came. I sat with him and brought him
some desserts since he said he had already eaten. He saw Lee Silva there that I don’t think had seen in 20
years. I visited with lots of people and
told the men about Gay Men Aloud which for the most part I think found
exciting. I wrote Jim Dabakis “Senator Dabakis your voice box is full from
adoring constituents I am sure when I tried to return your call... Heading to SAGE BBQ at 630 Liberty park
NE. Amy Barry told me that you had a
hand in my being recognized by the Utah State History people... I love your
posts...I wish others had your moral compass and sense of social justice.”
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Jim
Dabakis Ben, working the Historic Society was both the easiest thing--and also
one of the best things i have done as a Senator. I may give you shit from time
to time but i admire and love you for the life of dedicated and unheralded
service to our community and our nation!.
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Edgar
Ben Williams You have never given me shit ... Just kept me honest about my
convictions and to see other views .... Family can disagree and still be
family. As outsiders coming to Utah I
think Utah is better off for us being here ...especially you
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Jim
Dabakis ...especially you. reminds me of the meek elders song about his loud
mouth companion... in book of mormon--the play not the book.
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Edgar
Ben Williams Lol but have you read the book?
·
Jim
Dabakis the reader’s digest version...
16 August 2015 Sunday
I had a late start this morning going to
Gunnison. I wasn’t on the road until 11:30. I took the truck so I could use
cruise control although it was very warm. I kept the windows rolled down
because I don’t have A/C for the truck. It was an uneventful trip down and it
was a beautiful August day and the corn was green and high and the grasses
golden yellow. When I arrived at the prison about 1:15 there was a backup of
about 7 cars which I thought was unusual and it took me about 15 minutes just to be processed so I could go
park. Once inside the guards at the desk said that the visiting room was
completely filled and people had to wait until some of the visitors times were
up. They told people it would be about
15 minutes so I waited and waited until nearly 2:30 before enough people had
left so that I could be processed through. I should have known better. Prisoners are fed at 11:00-12:00 and they
don’t even let visitors in until 12:30 so if it was filled the earliest I was
going to get to see Kyle would have been 2:30 and it was. But what could I do?
Complain? Those people wanted their full time with their loved ones as much as
I do and probably drove as far as I did or farther. I think Kyle was pleasantly surprised to see
me since by 2:30 I am usually leaving not coming. We talked away our two hours.
He said his stomach was a little upset and I could tell because his breath was
a little sour. But I still sat as close as I could to him until at one point a
guard came over and said that I was sitting too close ha!. I was just leaning
in so I could hear him better. He said he should be hearing soon about whether
he gets into the Culinary school or not. He said he had a note from Curtis
Price saying he was in his prayers. Otherwise we just visited in general. I asked
if he was still getting the Q and he said he hadn’t gotten one since last June.
I guess I better find out why. He said its best if I send him money on the 25th
of each month that way he will have it by the end of the month when he has to
buy his medicine, toiletries, and rent on his TV. It was 4:30 when our time was up and I had to
leave. I got home about 7 after leaving the house a little after 11 to get a
drink for the trip and fill the tank up. I paid $2.49 a gallon with my 20 cent
discount at Smith’s. Dogs were hungry
when I fed them for sure and I was a tired boy or rather old man. Yesterday
Julian Bond, the Civil Rights activist died yesterday at the age of 75. He spoke
here in SLC a couple of years ago…I think at the HRC fund raiser. My FB friend
Ron Holmgren had been posting a lot about his memories of working building the
stage at Woodstock in 1969.
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Bill
Poore-John, John, John, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha....My ‘69 was being a deck hand
on a Coast Guard Cutter in Seward Alaska, being sent to NYC during Stonewall,
Merv Griffin hitting on me at the Little Theatre next to Sardis then seeing his
show, hanging with Alan Ginsberg in his West Village Apartment smoking pot
while going to Coast Guard Radio School on Governors Island in NY Harbor. ‘69
for me was one wild hell of a year with so much happening.
17 August 2015 Monday
I got a letter in the mail from Kyle today.
Dated from the 12th. Running Chuck Whyte around for morning Doctor
appointment... I guess he got good news... I am slowly getting my house put
back together... Trouble with emptying out junk drawers is you have to sift
through it all... Good news about cleaning out my closet is I am downsizing and
will be dropping a lot off to DI ... Need to majorly de- clutter... Watered
this morning at 7 when it was nice and cool...my garden is brimming with summer
tomatoes
18 August 2015 Tuesday
I wrote Kyle a long letter this morning and
mailed it off but I forgot to copy and paste it to my journal. Oh well. Stupid
Governor Herbert to placate the radical militants in his own party ordered
state agencies to stop supporting Planned Parenthood. The group announced a
press conference and rally next Tuesday
on the 25th at the state Capitol Building to tell the governor to stop playing
politics with the health of thousands of Utahns and not just women.
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Benedgar
regarding Gay Men Aloud Hey Kent are you
free tomorrow for a Gay Men Aloud meeting? Charles is off tomorrow and wants us
to discuss the first meetings, some organization structure etc. If not let us
know when you are available Thanks!
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Kent
Great idea. I'm available in the morning until noon. I have an appt. at noon in
Midvale and an appt at 3:00 at the U. Other than that my schedule is open.
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Benedgar
Shall we do a morning coffee meeting then Charles?
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Kent
Coffee works for me!
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Benedgar
10 am to 11:30 am at SL Roasting Company tomorrow ... Kent will that give you
enough time to get to Midvale?
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Kent
That'll be perfect as long as you don't let me get long-winded.
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Benedgar Everyone but me has a place to be at noon so
we will stay on task... after we dish LOL
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Charles
Lynn Sounds perfect. Thx for planning
Ben Edgar. I just feel we better have a solid agenda/outline for the 1st
meeting. One that looks and feels completely inclusive and group focused. Those
types of outlines in my experience are the ones that are pre-planned the most.
I know all 3 of us want this group to SOAR. We may have to carefully plan and
strategize more so the first 6 months until the group helps us make it fly
wonderfully. Very much looking forward to the planning and scheduling
brainstorming meeting with you two gentlemen tomorrow. One day we'll all be
able to say SL Roasting Co, is where it all began. Have a good evening both of
you. CLF
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Kent
Thanks so much to you both! I share your enthusiasm. See you in the A.M.
19 August 2015 Wednesday
My steam cleaner came this afternoon when I saw
the package on the porch but I didn’t have time to fool with it so its sitting
in the box still. I am so stiff and sore from chopping up that patch of weeds
yesterday. I need to take some more Aleve.
I think I am also getting arthritis is some of my finger joints because they
are starting to get sore too. I met with Kent Scadlock and Charles Frost today
at the Salt Lake Roasting Company on 4th South. Charles called for a meeting to
plan for the opening meeting for Gay Men Aloud next month. We met at 10:00 and
Kent had to leave to get to another meeting at 12 but we accomplished what we set out to do, which was set an agenda for
the first meeting. We decided to call the Triad Concept of checking in on each
other Homo Teachers as a play on the LDS
practice of Home Teachers. Kent said he would take charge of coordinating that.
Charles wanted me to introduce the facilitators and the purpose for the group
and Charles will come up with opening and closing activities. I brought both of them a goody bag of red
tomatoes, little yellow pear tomatoes,
and some summer squash from my garden.
We also talked about what some Trannies had done to the iconic statues
of some Gay men in Sheridan Square to protest what they stupidly think is the
exclusion of Trans people of Color from the motion picture about Stonewall.
“Trans Vandals Deface the Gay “Stonewall Monument” with Insane Blackface to
protest a Movie they Have Not Seen” was the top story of the day for sure.
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Chuck
Whyte Vandalism is a crime and these idiotic people need to suffer the
consequences of their behavior. I would translate this into their language but
I choose to clean my toilet rather than deal with their crap.........btw when I
poured in my toilet cleaner it went cis cis cis
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Roland
Ron Holmgren This reminds me of the violence and destruction that goes on in
Ferguston. Let's burn and loot in protest. It's a damn film. I have read that
transsexuals are upset because they aren't Included. News flash. In the sixties
transsexuals were rare. The were either drag queens or transvestites. This
wasn't a protest. It was an act of destruction, a crime, plain and simple.
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Andy
Dalrymple Chuck, too funny.
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Bill
Poore I knew both those guys, that statue was not done for Stonewall. It was
done like in 1980 as a piece of art... The Lesbian couple is behind them. Jimmy
Stott and David Boyce. I was with them the day they went to have plaster put
all over them....this is really sad, these Gender Queers can go fuck themselves
and their cause. The statues were not meant to commemorate Stonewall at all.
·
Michael Sanders Yes, who said this was
monument to Stonewall? When did that happen? I've never heard that before and I
lived a block away.
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Bill
Poore Notice they didn't black face the lesbian couple behind them......this
just shows the hate the gender queers have for gay white men....they should
just start their own movement and get out of the LGBT.
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David
Andreason I'm pretty sure Marsha P. Johnson, Sylvia Rivera, and many other
prominent T figures living during the Stonewall era would find this disgusting.
I think it's somewhat generational--it's not just the t's, but the lgb's as
well whom I so often see trying to take credit for things they didn't have a
damn thing to do with. This is disgraceful.
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Michael
Sanders I am fan of radical activism, I always have been. I've certainly done
my share of radical activism. I love that these kids are out making a ruckus,
trying to make a difference in the world for their community. I may not always
agree with their point of view completely but they are getting up off of their
computer chairs and taking it to the streets, and not just organizing cocktail
receptions, banquets, endless silent auctions, photo opportunities and social
media slacktivism. I think Miss Marsha and Sylvia might approve of this spirit
of radical activism, after all they founded Street Transvestite Action
Revolutionaries not RuPauls' Drag Race.
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Brent
V. Marrott I don't know whether they would approve or not, but I am with
Michael on radical activism. Here in the Holy Land too many sit back on the
lazy asses and let the rest do the work. Larry Kramer did a world of good by
his activism. But too many are afraid of what their family, friends, and
religious organizations will think. Stand up for what you believe in. Don't sit
there with your thumb up your ass when you disagree. Silence is the sign of a
coward and implies you agree.
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Bill
Poore Not when they deface members of our community. I knew Jimmy and David
really well, this makes me sad, very sad and I don't want anything to do with
their activism. Fuck them.
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David
Andreason I'm not going to argue this. As one heavily involved with LGBT as
well as environmental activism for years, I know a thing or two about radical
activism and have participated in more arrestable actions than I could possibly
remember. Radical works unless it's completely misdirected. Gays and trans back
then were not polarized the way trans today make it sound--they very much knew,
liked, and looked out for each other. I'm familiar with S.T.A.R. and the
reasons it was founded. I guarantee it wasn't to trash and disrespect their
own. That said, not all trans can or should be dumped into the camp of those
that did this, but today's trans and their forebearers have almost nothing in
common. It was a shitty thing to do. I agree, Bill--fuck 'em. For those who want to spend a little time
peering into this Stonewall world and learn something, I found this to be an
excellent interview/documentary featuring Marsha P. Johnson and others.
https://youtu.be/Bo0nYv9QIj4 Pay it No Mind: The Life and Times of Marsha P.
Johnson
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Michael
Sanders I'm curious as to the permanent nature of this act. Was it clothing and
water based paint and easily removed, therefore just a statement, or something
more damaging in a permanent way. I don't condone permanent de-facing of a work
of art of any kind. and yes David I
agree that the L. the G, the B the Q. and T all need to support each other and
not work against each other.
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Bill
Poore Michael you probably knew Jimmy (statue on the left) daytime bar tender
at 9th Circle , David a regular customer.; Jimmy on the right
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Michael
Sanders the 9th circle I worked ..... I mean i went there at night
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Edgar
Ben Williams The point of this is if heterosexuals defaced these icons we would
be outraged. Trans do not get a free pass when they attack Gay men. These
statues do not represent the Stonewall uprising they represent Gay Liberation
and the freedom of Gay people to freely associate with one another... These
statues were moved here if you read the article because they were being defaced
and attacked where they were first displayed... Radical activism is fine if one
is being attacked. No one is attacking the Trans except in their own minds and
why is their anger directed at Gay Men? Why are they attacking a section of the
so called LGBT community if we are a community? This is disgusting and I don't
see how anyone can try to justify what was done to the statue of two Gay Men
which are icons... Read my lambda lore column this issue to know how pathetic
and disingenuous it is for the Trans community to take credit for Stonewall.
Rivera and Johnson started STAR that is true...it lasted 2 years...Gays and
Lesbians started Gay Liberation Front and GAA the corner stone of the Gay Civil
Rights movement... when Gay Liberation Front came to SLC in Oct 1969 it was
from the momentum built by Gay and Lesbians not Trans from STAR... Where is the
outrage Michael and Brent on the attack on Gay men? Why isn't this a hate crime
and another form of Gay bashing?
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Michael
Sanders I guess because I've always considered Transgender individuals as a
part of my own family. When your brother punches you it's a family squabble.
When a stranger punches your brother it's a crime. When we stop posturing for
top dog position, equality might come easier. After all if we don't promote
equality from within, why would we expect it to happen from outside our ranks.
Edgar Ben Williams When the Trans are doing all the punching its gets
tiresome... When have Gay men had ever done to one of the Trans icons what they
did to ours... Bullying even members of your own family is bullying... And
again I ask why this anger at specifically Gay men and all this check your
privilege ask my pronouns, gender is whatever we say it is, you are transphobic
if you object to being called a cis... And now if you don't accept our version
of stonewall we will trash your culture... No one is posturing for top position
that I know of but for someone like me who takes history seriously I know the
first thing you do to disenfranchise a people is to take away their history and
co-op it as your own... Before Stonewall there were less than 50 homosexual
organization in America after Stonewall within 5 years there were almost that
many here in Utah! Top dog or not to minimize that it was the mostly white gay
boys that organized Gay Liberation is racist and homophobic on its own ...
Stonewall first and foremost was about sexual orientation NOT gender
identity... The Gay movement was always about love and physical attraction...
That is why we fought, died, and ultimately won... Because it was about love
not gender dysphoria.
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Bill
Poore I need to read your Q article
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David
Andreason LOL I need a drink. Great points all.
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Michael
Sanders Now there is where we find common ground David! Cheers and good night.
Michael Sanders UPDATE: 8/18/2015: "The statues have been restored to
their original state." As I suspected, this was not permanent damage, but
more of a radical activist statement. And by two cis-gender women, not
trans-gendered. And the plot thickens further... the message I'm getting is
more about race than gender identity.
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Bill
Poore fuck cis gender and the road in came in on.....I am one gay man that will
not stand being called Cis anything. Michael did you know John the manager of
the Circle, Tree down Stairs, one of the regulars that you probably did
business with Jerry Arrow? I knew the entire staff at the Circle really well.
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Michael Sanders No Bill, I'd go there
occasionally. My hang outs were Mudd, Pyramid and the other punk clubs and of
course always the monster and la esquelita haha
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19 August 2015
GMA Minutes-In attendance Charles Frost, Kent Scadlock, Ben Williams
Business- Planning and Agenda setting for first meeting of GMA on 21 September
21 Triad Concept renamed Homo Teachers as a service component of GMA for people
who need contacting for various reasons. Kent Scadlock volunteered to
coordinate the project and introduce the concept at the Sept. 21 meeting
-Agreed that the meetings needed a continuity closure and a group circle
embrace or hug was adopted as bonding but non-threatening. -Agreed that an
opening and closing “check in” and take away was needed as an ice braker and a
wrap up. Charles Frost agreed to come up with some quick and interesting
questions to be answered as people introduce themselves-Name Tags was discussed
without a firm resolution but for now a simple “please remind me of your name
again” will suffice. -Agreed that the term “facilitators”, as the name of any
leader or organizer, would be used instead of directors, executors, Bishops,
and founding facilitators be introduced at the first meeting as well as
explaining the purpose of GMA. - Agreed that the group is simply to be referred
to as Gay Men Aloud [GMA] without additional appellations such as support,
organization, association, or group &etc.
-Agreed that GMA will not have a governing board, nor bylaws, nor any
incorporation status beyond simply being an all-volunteer fellowship. -Some
agreed on purposes of GMA is to build
community, to belong to a tribe of likeminded individuals, to be vibrant and
relevant in our connected communities, to allow men to have a voice and not be
excluded from conversations, to have a space for Gay men to discuss issues of
concern to just men. -Agenda for September 21, 2015 6:30- 8:00 pm Charles Frost-Welcoming
Introductions of members with check-ins facilitated by Charles Frost, approx.
10 minutes 6:30-6:40- Ben Williams- Introduce Facilitators, the purpose of the
group, and donation box by Ben Williams approx. 15 minutes 6:40-6:55 -Kent Scadlock
Introduce Homo Teachers service concept approx. 15 minutes 6:55-7:10-Charles
Frost- Soliciting ideas from members and lead main discussion on what people
want from GMA 7:10- 7:40 -Charles Frost- Take Away and group hug closure
7:40-7:45 Refreshments and visiting 7:45-8:00
20 August 2015 Thursday
I went back to sleep when Coco came and slept
until 10 a.m. which is the latest I’ve
slept in for a long time. I guess I needed to catch up. I went grocery shopping
this morning about 10:30 and the air is
already hazy from smoke drifting in from California. Can’t even see the hill
above Beck Street with is only about 3 miles away. Its already warm so it’s sure to be another
warm one. I had Bill Poore over for dinner to be entertained by his New York
stories. I had bought a whole chicken this morning so I chopped it up into
parts, some went into a broth and I made Cajun Chicken Noodle soup... the rest
I cooked up as Southern fried chicken. It’s been ages since I fried chicken. In
my younger days I would have made milk gravy out of the drippings to have over
biscuits and mashed potatoes. These day I steamed some cauliflower and made a
cheese sauce for it, then steamed some had fresh asparagus, fixed a nice dinner
salad with tomatoes from the garden and for desert we had cantaloupe chunks.
Delicious but I miss my biscuits and gravy... Sent jars of soup home with Bill... Suns going
down earlier now we are 2/3 into Summer. J Seth Anderson called me from Ithaca,
New York. I think they landed in Faerie Land. They are loving their enchanted
summer. He called to ask for some advice and to give me a heads up. It will be
interesting to know how this will all plays out. I know this sounds cryptic but
its Seth's story to share when he's ready not mine. He's smart and savvy and
people in the Utah State legislature are ignorant yet cunning. Jim Dabakis is
leagues ahead of any of those myopic Republicans there. Seth will outlast any
dissention and that is what is fabulous about being an academic historian like
Seth. He will get the last word in...LOL. Seth Anderson messengered me on FB this
afternoon saying, “Hey there. Are you home and free to talk on the phone.... I
have some Utah/gay/history stuff to run by you. In short, I find myself in the
middle of a potentially big scandal. lol And you're sort of involved, as a
person of interest. lol nothing bad, kinda hilarious actually. But I'd like
your feedback. I wrote back, “Yes I am home and free to talk... I slept in this
morning so I am kind of being lazy” Shortly after that he called me about 1 pm
from Ithaca, New York. I think they landed in Faerie Land from the sounds of
their adventures. They love their enchanted summer. He called me, however, to ask for some advice and to
give me a heads up. Evidently he was asked to present a paper at a state
history conference and he was going to speak on Queer Nation. Evidently some
asshat who sits on the legislative committee that funds State History objected
to Seth’s presentation calling Queer Nation a “militant group” and if he wasn’t
pulled or changed his topic this asshat was going to bring it up with the
governor. Seth’s history department
academics at the U of U said they would boycott the conference if Seth was
removed. He was worried about how this
might affect my award from the state if they are pulling Gay History. Seth said he refused to change the title of
his talk to LGBT Nation which I said good for you. Its historically inaccurate
to call events that happened before the year
2000 LGBT anything. I told Seth
that the state legislators are more militant than Queer Nation ever was. The
legislators are the ones who care guns, want to have open carry laws, fight the federal government, support
criminal acts like what county commissioners do in Southern Utah. Anyway I told him to contact Jim Dabakis
because he would be able to get to the bottom of this and find out what this guy’s
beef is. It will be interesting to know
how this will all plays out. I know this sounds cryptic but its Seth's story to
share when he's ready not mine. He's smart and savvy and people in the Utah
State legislature are ignorant yet cunning. Jim Dabakis is leagues ahead of any
of those myopic Republicans there. Seth will outlast any dissention and that is
what is fabulous about being an academic historian like Seth. He will get the
last word in...LOL I wrote Jim- Hello Senator... Seth Anderson is going to be
getting a hold of you over some flack a legislator on the State History
Committee is giving him over a paper Seth is presenting on Queer Nation at the
State History Conference. This person is calling Queer Nation a
"militant" group and wants Seth pulled from the conference although
Seth's history department supports him.
Queer Nation was obnoxious but hardly militant...No one had weapons or
guns or destroyed property. Hell the
state legislature is more militant with their open carry laws and support of
criminal activities against federal lands ha!
Queer Nation was an in your face we are not going to be silent against
abusive behavior anymore type of group.
They protested more than anything and if that is militant than someone
needs to look at a dictionary. Queer Nation was a result of frustration by
young Gay folks over their right to exist being ignored and formed during the
worse of the AIDS crisis. Seth will tell you the details. I said you would be
able to find out who is objecting and pour oil over troubled waters. But I said
if they insist on yanking him from the conference which would have at the most
15 people in his session, he should make it go public by nationally. The
Tribune, Huntington Post, the Advocate would have a field day with this
especially as well-known Seth is now as Utah's first Gay married couple and
Michael Ferguson case against Conversion therapy... Anyway love you... don't
lose sleep over the prison relocation... it once was located in Sugar
House for nearly a 100 years LOL... Hope
your critters are all well and that you and Steve are well.
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Jim-Which
legislator? And, who gives a shit if they were militants or commies or
McCartheyites. His story is history!
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Me-
He doesn't know who is making the ruckus ... The people planning the conference
who had him listed were the ones that told Seth that a legislator on the
committee that over sees funding for state history objected... I am not sure
whether he objected to the term Queer Or the topic himself... I told Seth to
contact you so he can explain the tempest himself ... "History isn't very
useful unless it's faith promoting" said Boyd K Packer lol... I always thought that if Utah doesn't want
its image tarnished then they need to stop doing stupid things smile emoticon
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Jim
I stand ready, as ever! LOL! At Harmons yesterday I met a most pleasant young
man who volunteers regularly for the state history department photo department.
he has sifted 50 years of prisoner photos together with those charged with 'the
crime against nature'. Then looked up the court files...has cd's full of material.
Thought you should meet him...
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Me- I would love to meet him... I spent a
summer looking up prison files on men but did not know how to access the
picture file although I knew they were there. ..I’d love to see the picture of
the young man from Canada who came to Utah looking for work and was railroaded
primarily because they thought he was a member of the IWW.
·
Jim Very nice young man too
·
Me- Soooo you have contact info for him or are
you just a tease
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Jim
Keep pestering my. I have it. Somewhere
21 August 2015 Friday
I learned a new word today Schadenfreude. It
means taking pleasure from someone else’s misfortune. The Republicans need to be known as the Schadenfreude
Party but when they crash and burn in 2016 we Democrats must try not to be too Schadenfreude
to them... But it will very hard... Very hard indeed... Republicans give me the
creeps... Maybe it's just me but when someone says they would vote for a
Republican I find that really creepy... One of my former students, Chelsea, the
sister of Weston Clark posted a class picture from 5th grade when I taught at
Orchard in 1992-1993...I remember each and every one of these kids and their
cute little personalities... All grown up now many with families of their
own... Kyle Daniels wanted to come over
after his school got out. He’s teaching at Copperton High School and I guess
they started back on Wednesday. Davis won’t start until Monday. He came over
about 3:30 and we fucked until he had to leave at 4:30. He didn’t even get to
take a shower to get the sex off of him. I guess he and Alan have a football
game they have to get to. He puts the
rose back in my cheeks for sure.
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Weston
Clark-Hey Ben, I don't know if you can see the comments from former students on
that picture I tagged of you the other day so I wanted to send them to you. You
are a loved teacher!
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Thanks
I did see it and thought how cool to be remember as a fun teacher .... That
class was fun any way...shocking to see my kids all grown up with kids of their
own...in my mind they are always 4th, 5th, and 6th graders and I bet they
remember me as skinnier and with much more hair and a beard that was not
gray... Tell you sister thanks for posting it...
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Jen
Crook Baron I loved Mr Williams!!
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Chelsea
Astle he just retired last year:-(
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Minda
Taylor He still remembered me as the girl who cried every time she got in front
of the class
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Markie
Topham This was such a long time ago! I looked goofy.
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Tammy
Wright Brown Oh wow! I still remember all these people! He was a great teacher!
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Tim
Jones WOW old school
22 August 2015 Saturday
Except going to Murray Farmers Market I haven't
done a bloody thing all day... Well did go walking Cash with Charles Lynn Frost
and I came home and walked Daisy but that's about it... Daisy could not believe
it... She was so happy that she was making little doggy happy noises... Before
you feel bad for her she does have a quarter of an acre yard with plenty of
trees and a doggy door to come go as she pleases... OMG my ancestral roots and
Joseph Smith Jr are the same! Joseph
Smith’s paternal emigrant ancestor was Robert Smith (1626-1693) who arrived in
Boston, Massachusetts Bay Colony in 1638 at the age of 12. He came without
parents and nothing is known of this person’s heritage. Mormon historians
always thought he was English, however DNA comparisons prepared by BYU
geneticist Ugo A. Perego show that Smith’s ancestors were Irish and not
English. Not only Irish but MY IRISH! Certain Genetic markers in the DNA
samples taken from the descendants of Joseph Smith Sr confirms the family
originated in northwest Ireland from a fifth century Irish warlord named Niall
of the Nine Hostages. Niall was the founder of an Irish dynasty of kings that
lasted about five centuries and also my direct ancestor. So both Joseph Smith
and I originated in the same scrotum! I will never be able to live that down.
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Amy
Barry The peaches are so yummy right now. They just melt in your mouth.
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Bill
Poore Daisy knows that there is nothing like an actual doggie walk.
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Roland
Ron Holmgren And Lucky?
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Edgar
Ben Williams I can't have much fruit right now...darn... And I took Lucky for a
walk around the block...then I took Buddy and half way down the street he
starts jumping up at me wanting to go back home... He has never liked to go on
walks...but Daisy was so excited again so I took her out... Buddy barks the
whole time from the house... He's a brat
·
Amy Barry Sorry to hear you are on a fruit
diet. It is understandable, but oh I would go nuts. I just love it when things
come in season
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Charles
Lynn Frost The Farmers Mkt was fun. I bought a ton of stuff, and you only got
to drool over the sugary fruits. It will be worth it, trust me. Cash loved
having you take him for a walk too.
23 August 2015 Sunday
I worked 3 hours in the back yard and filled a
huge trash can full of yard waste... I finally cleaned out the flower bed on the south side of the house
that was long overdue...I have a pink rose bush there I planted 19 years ago.
It's beautiful when I trim it right... August tomato harvest is exploding in
the front yard... I deserve a good soaking... The hot tub is calling me. I
never realized what a full time job it almost is to keep the yard up. Stayed up
way late almost until 2 am. My sleep routine is way off.
·
Richard
P. Butler Can I come and get some tomatoes? We hardly had any.
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Edgar
Ben Williams Come and get them There's still plenty
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Richard
P. Butler After work today I can come over. About 1:00-1:30 OK
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Edgar
Ben Williams Okie dokie I will be home
24 August 2015 Monday
Well, today is the first time in 28 years I am
not anxious and hoping everything is ready to greet a new crop of kiddies..
First day of school and I am still in bed. Summer vacation would have been over
for me last week as I would have been in setting up my classroom... In many
ways this year would have been easier than last year as I had to move rooms and
had to redo bulletin boards and put everything away as well as redo all my 5th
grade lessons plans that I got rid of when they moved me to 6th grade. Old
habits are hard to suppress in the subconscious. I had the back to school
dreams...taking students on field trips that go awry, cleaning out cupboards of
old school projects and forgetting to put my pants on lol... Every teacher I
ever knew said they had weird dreams usually nightmares before school started
even though they loved the profession. Well no more first day of school for
me... That chapter is over... Still one of my former student from 22 years ago
posted a class picture from Orchard...and some of the comments from my other
students made my old heart glad... Especially the first one "I love Mr
Williams"... Nice to be part of so many children's childhood memories. Old
time friend Richard came over today to visit and retrieve some tomatoes. I had
no idea that he was in the hospital because FB chose not to make his posting a
priority to me. He had a blood clot hit
his lungs. Grateful that he much better if only at 75 percent. Quite warm today
but I didn't have to teach in a hot stuffy over crowded non air conditioned
classroom for the first time in 28 years. Sad news that ISIS has executed over
30 Gay men in the Middle East mostly by throwing them off buildings to their
deaths.
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Bill
Poore On the same page first time in ten years I didn't teach Fall semester at
the U. Hung out in a professor s office for a while. Miss the U but not
teaching
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Douglas
Wortham Enjoy, enjoy, Ben! You deserve it!
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Kent
Scadlock I have a quick question for the two of you. I've been tinkering around
on Instagram and we have a couple of naming options available for Gay Men
Aloud. Would you prefer @utah_gay_men_aloud or @gay_men_aloud? We have the same
name options if we want to setup a Twitter account. I will setup both accounts
with a link to our Facebook page. Which do you prefer?
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Charles
Lynn Frost Gay Men Aloud is my preference. If we get big and successful enough
we can consider franchising. JK. Thanks for researching and recommending Kent.
Lots of buzz about the group. MANY gay men are talking to me about it.
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Me-
I defer to both of you since I don't twitter smile emoticon
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Dear
Kyle, I received your letter today from
August 20. That is pretty quick I must say. I am thrilled for all the good news
you had since I saw you last. I know you
must be excited as all get out to be going to school again and culinary school
at that. Today must have been your
orientation day and so much to learn. I
wonder what they will start you with? Perhaps name of tools and cooking
terms. I remember the show about Julia
Child that she chopped up a whole bag of onions until mastered the technique…
keep the blades down and fingers tucked in ha! A dull knife will cut you more
than a sharp one. I still have a Henkel
chef knife I bought back in 1982 that I had my initials engraved on when I
worked as a cook back then. I think I paid $30 for it back then, which I
thought was a fortune but I see now they go for $130 and mine even has a wooden
handle not plastic. It just needs being
taken in and having it professionally sharpened. Back then if you were a real
cook you brought to work a tool box with your own knives and equipment. I use to be a fine cook but have gotten lazy
in my old age but still know a few tricks. I suspect by the time you get this
letter you will have a whole week under your belt. Cooking can be hard on your
feet because you are standing the whole time. Never trust a cook who smokes
because they will always over salt everything.
I bought a whole chicken the other day because they were on sale and I
am glad I know how to debone a chicken. I had Bill Poore over and I fried it
up. I don’t know when the last time I’ve fried a chicken. I am glad your text book finally
arrived. I mailed it out like at the end of July. I surely hope it helps you get that biology
class over and done with. That will be another thing you can check off I suppose.
Get an A on your test. Pretty sure
the prison relocation is a done deal but I bet its four years before anyone is
transferred to it. The opponents have pretty well given up unless someone sues
over wetland. I think I was the lone voice crying in the wilderness saying that
it needs to be in west SLC. I
know you have been hoping to get in with your friends Todd and Jeff for a very
long time. I hope the transfer happens soon. What a different a year makes when
about this time you were transferred out of Gunnison to Draper to Manila and
then back to Draper and then finally back home again. That was a difficult time for you and am glad
positives things seem to be happening to you now. It’s been really hot today 97 in SLC and it’s
the first day of school here in SLC and Davis School District. First time in a very long time I haven’t had
to deal with the first day of school chaos and suffer so intensely in non-air
conditioned classrooms. Last week the
heat wasn’t all that bad but the valley was very hazy from smoke pouring in
from the west coast. Could not even see the gravel pit on Beck Street from the
house. Everyone was moaning and groaning but I thought hell I grew up with this
air in California as a kid. It didn’t
kill me then I suppose it won’t kill me now. I am sure it still was an indoor
recess the first day back. I truly do
not miss it at all although I still have the back to school dreams. How could I
not, having been conditioned to them for
28 years. Weston Clark’s younger sister posted a class picture on FB of her in
my 5th grade class from back in 1993.
She tagged me in it so I got to see the comments of my former students.
The very first one said, “I love Mr. Williams” and they all seemed to have fond
memories of their 5th grade even though it was 22 years ago. I looked at the FB
pages of some of them and saw most of them are married with families of their
own. Seems strange because in my mind
they will always be 10 years old not 32 years old. Still it made my heart glad
that the memories they had of me were good ones. I tried. My garden is busting out in tomatoes
and am giving them out left and right. I
planted too many of the little yellow pear tomatoes. They are a pain to pick
and I don’t even like them that well. But if you buy them in the store just a
big handful of them are like $5. They
are labor intensive for sure. Charles and I went to the Murray Farmers
Market last Saturday morning and the
place was brimming with peaches and squash. I can’t eat a lot of fruit right
now as I am trying to get my blood sugars lowered by cutting out carbs. The
only way I like a peach anyway is in a fresh peach cobbler ha! Been busy working in the yard, this time cleaning up the backyard. Getting
rid of piles of old leaves and cleaning out flower beds. About the time I get it all done the leaves
will fall. Ha! But now I have time to
work a little here, a little there. Not much news to report. Bill Poore wants
to go to Gunnison to look in the cemetery next to the prison down there so
expect a visit next Sunday. I will be there by 12:30 so hopefully I will not
have to sit and wait to see your happy face. Well the latest brouhaha between
Gay men and Trannies, over their perceived resentment of “white washing” the
Stonewall Rebellion is that some Transgender
“activists” painted the faces of the famous statues of two Gay men in
Sheridan Square black and brown and dressed them in wigs and bras. They were
protesting the movie Stonewall, a film that has not even been released
yet. They didn’t disfigure the statues
of the two Lesbians only the Gay men. Here are some comments from Gay men in
SLC. Bill Poore Those statues were not done for Stonewall. They were done to represent Gay
Liberation. It was done like in 1980 as
a piece of art... I knew both those guys. Jimmy Stot and David Boyce. I was
with them the day they went to have plaster put all over them.... The Lesbian
couple is behind them. This is really sad, these Gender Queers can go fuck
themselves and their cause. The statues were not meant to commemorate Stonewall
at all. Notice they didn't black face the lesbian couple behind them......this
just shows the hate the gender queers have for gay white men....they should
just start their own movement and get out of the LGBT. David Andreason I'm
pretty sure Marsha P. Johnson, Sylvia Rivera, and many other prominent T
figures living during the Stonewall era would find this disgusting. I think
it's somewhat generational--it's not just the t's, but the lgb's as well whom I
so often see trying to take credit for things they didn't have a damn thing to
do with. This is disgraceful. Michael Sanders I am fan of radical activism, I
always have been. I've certainly done my share of radical activism. I love that
these kids are out making a ruckus, trying to make a difference in the world
for their community. I may not always agree with their point of view completely
but they are getting up off of their computer chairs and taking it to the
streets, and not just organizing cocktail receptions, banquets, endless silent
auctions, photo opportunities and social media slacktivism. I think Miss Marsha
and Sylvia might approve of this spirit of radical activism, after all they
founded Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries not RuPauls' Drag Race.
Brent V. Marrott I don't know whether they would approve or not, but I am with
Michael on radical activism. Here in the Holy Land too many sit back on the
lazy asses and let the rest do the work. Larry Kramer did a world of good by
his activism. But too many are afraid of what their family, friends, and
religious organizations will think. Stand up for what you believe in. Don't sit
there with your thumb up your ass when you disagree. Silence is the sign of a
coward and implies you agree. Bill Poore Not when they deface members of our
community. I knew Jimmy and David really well, this makes me sad, very sad and
I don't want anything to do with their activism. Fuck them. David Andreason I'm
not going to argue this. As one heavily involved with LGBT as well as
environmental activism for years, I know a thing or two about radical activism
and have participated in more arrestable actions than I could possibly remember.
Radical works unless it's completely misdirected. Gays and trans back then were
not polarized the way trans today make it sound--they very much knew, liked,
and looked out for each other. I'm familiar with S.T.A.R. and the reasons it
was founded. I guarantee it wasn't to trash and disrespect their own. That
said, not all trans can or should be dumped into the camp of those that did
this, but today's trans and their forebearers have almost nothing in common. It
was a shitty thing to do. I agree, Bill--fuck 'em. Michael Sanders I'm curious
as to the permanent nature of this act. Was it clothing and water based paint
and easily removed, therefore just a statement, or something more damaging in a
permanent way. I don't condone permanent de-facing of a work of art of any
kind. and yes David I agree that the L. the G, the B the Q. and T all need to
support each other and not work against each other. Bill Poore Michael you
probably knew Jimmy ( statue on the left) daytime bar tender at 9 th Circle ,
David a regular customer. Jimmy on the
right Edgar Ben Williams The point of this is if heterosexuals would have
defaced these icons we would be outraged. Trans do not get a free pass when
they attack Gay men. These statues do not represent the Stonewall uprising they
represent Gay Liberation and the freedom of Gay people to freely associate with
one another... These statues were moved here if you read the article because
they were being defaced and attacked where they were first displayed... Radical
activism is fine if one is being attacked. No one is attacking the Trans except
in their own minds and why is their anger directed at Gay Men? Why are they
attacking a section of the so called LGBT community if we are a community? This
is disgusting and I don't see how anyone can try to justify what was done to
the statue of two Gay Men which are icons... Read my lambda lore column this
issue to know how pathetic and disingenuous it is for the Trans community to
take credit for Stonewall. Rivera and Johnson started STAR that is true...it
lasted 2 years...Gays and Lesbians started the Gay Liberation Front and the Gay
Activists Alliance- the corner stone organizations of the Gay Civil Rights
movement... when Gay Liberation Front came to SLC in Oct 1969 it was from the
momentum built by Gay and Lesbians not Trans from STAR... Where is the outrage
Michael and Brent on the attack on Gay men? Why isn't this a hate crime and
another form of Gay bashing? Michael Sanders I guess because I've always
considered Transgender individuals as a part of my own family. When your
brother punches you it's a family squabble. When a stranger punches your brother
it's a crime. When we stop posturing for top dog position, equality might come
easier. After all if we don't promote equality from within, why would we expect
it to happen from outside our ranks. Edgar Ben Williams When the Trans are
doing all the punching its gets tiresome... When have Gay men ever done to one
of the Trans icons what they did to ours... Bullying even members of your own
family is bullying... And again I ask why this anger at specifically Gay men
and all this “check your privilege”,
“ask my pronouns,”, “gender is
whatever we say it is”, “you are transphobic if you object to being called a
cis”... And now if you don't accept our version of stonewall we will trash your
culture... No one is posturing for top position that I know of but for someone
like me who takes history seriously I know the first thing you do to
disenfranchise a people is to take away their history and co-op it as your
own... Before Stonewall there were less than 50 homosexual organizations in America
and after Stonewall within 5 years there were almost that many here in Utah!
Top dog or not …to minimize that it was mostly white gay boys that organized
Gay Liberation- is racist and homophobic on its own ... Stonewall first and
foremost was about sexual orientation NOT gender identity... The Gay movement
was always about love and physical attraction... That is why we fought, died,
and ultimately won... Because it was about love not gender dysphoria. Bill
Poore fuck cis gender and the road it came in on.....I am one gay man that will
not stand being called Cis anything. Michael did you know John the manager of
the Circle, Tree down Stairs, one of the regulars that you probably did
business with- Jerry Arrow? I knew the entire staff at the Circle really well. Michael Sanders No Bill, I'd go there
occasionally. My hang outs were Mudd, Pyramid and the other punk clubs and of
course always the monster and la esquelita haha Charles Lynn Frost An interesting take from Towleroad, The
comments are most telling of opinions across the county and very
intergenerational. Many Gay men are getting fed up. “Activists Paint Famous NYC
'Gay Liberation' Sculptures Brown to Protest...” Edgar Ben Williams Wow I read
for a half an hour and still the comments went on and on! Most engaged with the
only Trans who was posting... When she disagreed but couldn't refute, she would
resort to name calling... Of all of the comments I found this one the most
relevant "Dear Marti386, I STRONGLY disagree. Furthermore, no one is
taking anything away from you, and you certainly do not need to define my
experience and journey as a Gay man; that's my purview, alone. Bully for you
that you have found your voice as a Trans person! I encourage everyone to find
their voices, but what I have found is that beyond protecting "queer"
status in a heterocentric world, I really do not have any significant
connection with the Trans culture. I'm not transitioning from one gender to
another--so I cannot relate on that MAJOR level--and to claim I can be
disingenuous.. That experience radically shapes one's viewpoint on the
world--and as Gay man, it's NOT my experience nor my journey. My journey as Gay
man and all the men I know is VERY different. Lastly, just because Gay men do
not find Trans culture interesting nor have any desire to connect with Trans
culture does not make us transphobic (and vice-versa). I respect that you have
a right to exist, to thrive and most importantly to define your journey of
self-discovery, on your terms. You're going to need to accept that not everyone
in the world is fascinated with your journey in the way you might be. I truly
wish the Trans community well on their path to collective self-discovery, but I
really don't need, nor want the Trans community imposing their viewpoint on my
journey as Gay man." What I really liked about this fellows comment was
finding ones voice. I think that is what our new group Gay Men Aloud is all
about...Gay men finding their voices. Well I will close now. For now all’s
quiet on the Western Front. I am, as I ever was, and shall ever be Your Friend
Ben
25 August 2015 Tuesday
Huge rally up at the state capitol to protest
Governor Herbert cutting off state funds to Planned Parenthood to appease the
Tea Party nuts. Seth Anderson messengered me saying that he will be able to
give his talk at the State History Conference He wrote-“ “I won!” The
legislature backed down! I get to keep the original title and present. It is
apparently the FIRST paper about the gay and lesbian community of Utah to be
presented at this conference AND I will get to be there when you get your
award. I bitch slapped the legislature and I won!
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Me
-Your’e Queer You're Here ...they better get used to it... I thrilled for
you. Not that they will attend but maybe
they might learn that even with Queer Nations actions...We are a Gentle Angry
people singing for our lives... Holly Near
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Seth-
I kinda wish they banned me lol. The entire history department at the U was
ready to boycott.
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Me-Who
notified you that you were cleared to present your paper as is?
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Seth-The
head of state history. He and I and my advisor had 2 or 3 conference calls. It
was crazy
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Me-
Jim Dabakis called me late last night just as I was about to go to sleep to
tell me what had happened between Lt. Gov Cox and him. Evidently this had
nothing to do with the state legislature but came out of the executive branch.
Julie Fisher is the executive director of Utah's department of Heritage and
Arts and one of agency she is over is Utah's State History. she had been a
legislator from the Fruits Heights area but resigned when Herbert appointed her
to this position in 2011... She has no experience that qualified her for this
position other than being a political hack that was willing to do Herbert's
bidding of downsizing the department over which she controls. She's not, that I can tell, a tea party crazy but she
might be...she is a right wing crazy in her own right...she sponsored the bill
to make Ogden’s colt rifle manufactured the state weapon and a bill reaffirming
Utah's rights under the 10th amendment. As department director she was involved
in the firing of those to state archaeologists that sought to preserve Indian
artifacts from damage by drilling in the Book Cliffs... Jim called her a “crazy
lady” so I will go with that. It was her
that raised issues about you and your paper according to the Lieutenant
Governor... Jim had a frank talk with him and said look “I don't care what you
decide because it's a win win either way for me but if Fisher does go through
with making a big deal out of this I personally with call the New York Times
and call a press conference." Cox took the message to Herbertt and he must
have passed it down to Fisher. However Jim is a little worried that the head of
Utah State History might get some flak from Fisher who is his boss. He said the
people in government here are not above vindictiveness if their egos are
bruised. So that is what Jim told me- that it was Julie Fisher not anyone in
the state legislature who caused this ruckus.
She is a Mormon with a B.A. from University of Indiana and a Republican...
That is what Herbert meant when he said she was highly qualified to oversee the
Heritage and Arts in Utah... In reality she was hired to downsize the
department as a Republican Stooge....from your reply I didn't think you knew
the rest of the story. Jim didn't tell
me not to tell anyone about this but he knew I'd put it in my records... I
wouldn't use Jim as a source of this information unless he gives permission....
The Republicans in this state all have knives and he is not Mr. popularity
right now over his very vocal opposition to the prison relocation and letting
the cat out of the bag that the people who did the "independent
feasibility study" for the committee have criminal back grounds for
bribery.
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Seth-
WOW!! That is a scoop! Thank you for the info. Nice to know he had my back.
smile emoticon I'm gonna share this with Connell and my advisor but I'll let
them know to keep it secret. Well, at least the part about Jim. Utah is fucked
up. Lol
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Charles
Lynn Frost Gentlemen, I wanted to communicate with both of you. As you know--I
have always strived to be inclusive and welcoming to all. I feel GMA should be
that way as well. However, someone asked to join today, and were he to be
involved in GMA, I would have to leave. The hurt and harm he has done to me
recently, is real, personal, and calculated. I have declined his request. Jerry
Buie, current Chair of the SAGE Board, along with the UPC Board of Directors,
are the reasons why I left SAGE. I won't go into detail--but what Jerry Buie
did to orchestrate and manipulate me being unable to continue being involved
with SAGE Utah has left a life-long impact on me. TRUST is everything to me,
and once it is to verifiably destroyed, I just will not there with a person
again. I hope you understand, and if you two encounter anyone like Jerry is to
me, please know I will support you. Thanks, Charles Lynn
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Me-
Regarding Gay Men Aloud We should make a list of people that joining the group
would be detrimental to us enjoying the association of the group... I know Kent
you have issues with Connell O'Donovan and Charles would not be comfortable
with either Troy Williams or Jerry Buie... This I know is hard but it is for
right now OUR group and there are personalities out there who would dominate or
even try to thwart our vision ... Jerry has Sage ... Troy has Equality Utah...
I almost feel like if an A Lister is part of the problem why we needed a men's
group maybe they don't belong
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Charles
Lynn Frost Thank you for sharing your
feelings and opinion Ben. I am glad your thoughts about this issue. I can fully
respect Kent's issues with Connell, since I have seen Connell take over and go
on an ego trip several times. Jerry has a "NEED TO KNOW EVERYTHING,"
then he goes and stirs and causes drama, dysfunction, and shit stirring. I feel
there are other groups he needs to be focusing on, on this ONE! I also agree
with A-listers, which in my opinion neither Jerry or Troy W. are. Jerry is a
wannabe A-lister, that because of his behaviors past and present to me and
many, many others, people are cautious of him, and he is suspect. I think this
group has to be one of camaraderie and a sense of belonging, where brave,
truthful, and courageous interactive conversation can occur regularly. Certain
people deter or literally halt that from taking place. Therapists and lawyers
(IMHO and experience) tend to take over, dominate, and potentially ruin very
positive outcomes. WE (the 3 of us) can determine it case by case, and as we
LEARN from leading this new group, for which there is much excitement. I
predict once the QSL paper edition hits the stands we will be getting more
requests, which is great. There is a HUGE NEED for this group. I will share
with you, that I get calls regularly from Gay men who used to get client &
case management from me when I worked with SAGE. Several have said "thank
you so much for inviting me." They need friends and social companionship.
There is a NEED, we will meet it in several ways.
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Kent
Scadlock After talking with Ben and after reading Charles' remarks, I agree
that we need to be careful as we nurture and watch this group grow. Like
Charles mentioned maybe a quick note between us on requests where there may be
doubt of the requestor's intentions or motivation for joining the group.
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Me-
Charles suggested that we just do requests once a week after we have talked and
there's no objection
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Charles
Lynn Frost Thanks Kent. I think we three
are all on the same page at this point. Ben and I just talked, and he indicated
he'd just talked with you. We are suggesting that the three of us consider all
requests to join twice a week, since interest is growing, etc. Ben will set up
the times we consider requests. Ben is also going to make sure that we 3 admins
are the only people who can APPROVE.
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Kent
Scadlock Perfect!!
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Me-
PS Rocky is doing his talk at Marilyn's in Ogden on Trans history in Utah...
He's definitely not getting in lol
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Charles
Lynn Frost LOL. Is Rocky Trans*? Interesting, why not ask a real Trans* person?
It's like Rocky presenting for the NAACP or Native American Tribes Council as
an expert. Weird
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Me-
Lol Rocky is a number one sob sister who cares about the bleeding masses but
not any individual's needs or concerns
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Kent
Scadlock Well stated Ben. That and Rocky
may have dressed in drag a time or two.
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Me- So have I but I was still a cock in a frock
looking for cock lol
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Kent
Scadlock LOL!!
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Charles
Lynn Frost Kent, are there other
individuals you had experience with that cannot be trusted, or would not be
good fits for GMA?
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Kent
Scadlock Not anyone else I can think of.
I told Ben that, even with Rocky, I could let go of my issues, if he really
wanted to be a part of GMA. I have a hunch he is going to make a request to
join sooner or later.
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Charles
Lynn Frost I’m sure Ben and I will veto him.
LOL
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Kent
Scadlock LOL He is a FOMO HOMO!! Fear Of
Missing Out (FOMO).
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Me
- Anyone who thinks they are LGBT should not be a part of this group, anyone
who says Gay is what I do and not who I am should not be a part of this group,
anyone who puts their Mormon identity before their Gay Identity should not be
part of this group...Bi-sexuals like Jon Jepson should not be part of this
group
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Kent
Scadlock Agreed 100% Ben!!
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Me
- Just opened my email and a post from the Pride Center said that Edmonds had
just met with the "fabulous members
of the 1-5 Club"... It’s a club for those who fall 1-5 on the Kinsey Scale
with 6 being exclusively homosexual. She
said Bisexuality is an umbrella term that includes Pansexuals, omnisexuals,
fluids and those not wishing to label themselves but do not identify with
either 0 or 6. Then she said Cool Right? I wanted to say not really LOL well we
know where to send people that don't identify as a Kinsey 6
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Charles
Lynn Frost Agree What a mess of a statement. I would however
take a 5, according to this illustrated Kinsey scale. My jockstrap fetish
ROARS.
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Kendall
Wilcox Ben I want you to meet Berta. She is working with us on the Utah LGBTQ
Stories project we spoke about a couple months ago. Berta will be working on
transitioning the content from your website to the timeline on the LGBTQ
Stories site. You will not need to do anything. We just want you and Berta to
be in communication in case she has any questions. Does this all make sense? Thanks, as always,
Ben.
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Benedgar
Makes sense... will be happy to meet her.
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Kendall
Thanks, Ben!
26 August 2015 Wednesday
Finally put my steam cleaner together and tried
it out in the bedroom. Now that I don’t have bed bugs it didn’t seem as
urgent. I like how it gets the grime out
of things and glad that I bought it after all.
Mike bought a better heavy duty dolly to wheel his camper to hook up to
his trucks hitch. Afterwards I had him come in and see if we could hook my VCR
up to the projector. We can but I need longer cables. The LDS Church announced
that they would not pull out of Boy Scouts of America and form their own
scouting program after all. They are pissed that BSA pulled their policy of not
letting Gay men be Scout leaders.
27 August 2015 Thursday
I dropped off about four trash bags full of
clothes at DI this morning. Cleaning out things I don’t wear or need any
more. Then I went out to the discount
food store where I bought most of my yard plants this year looking for
Grenadine syrup. I’ve been on a quest for it lately.
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Charles
Lynn Frost Did we have a new request
today? My cell phone said so, but I don't see them on the FB page for GMA.
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Kent
Scadlock I'm showing a request from
George Garff. He is a friend of my friend Michael Berry. I haven't approved it
yet.
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Charles
Lynn Frost If you think he'd be a good fit, I totally trust both of you.
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Kent Scadlock I think he'd be a good fit based on Michael's recommendation.
28 August 2015 Friday
I had a dream last night that I was in my
classroom teaching and Mrs. Beck was in it. I suppose my subconscious thinks I
should be teaching since if I had not retired I’d be there now. I also had a lonesome dream about Bill and
Faye Romero. I didn’t see them it was that I was telling Michael I wanted to go
Rawlins to visit them but then a melancholy swept over me that I will never be
going to Rawlins ever again. Work on my research of Joseph Smith’s early days
in the 1820s until noon but I did mail off my Social Security info they wanted.
I had to tell them how much money I made monthly. So that is done. Finally got
around to looking at some mail I pile up before looking through it...I am
really a slacker that is why I generally have everything as automatic
withdrawals...anyway opened a letter from American first saying my loan against
the truck is paid off and they sent me my title. Whoopie! Now to get the PT
Cruiser paid off... Good thing I opened the letter and not just tossed it... I
need a manager lol. Michael came by at 2
pm to pick up Coco and his Camper
Trailer. He brought over an longer cable
connection for the VCR and projector. I will have to see if that works. Then I worked some in the backyard cleaning
out the area between the brick patio and
the fence. I had all these end piece of lumber I was going to use for firewood
but I decided instead to put this 6 foot sheet of plywood down and then piece
in all this lumber to make a platform. I quit near 3 pm to get ready for Kyle
Daniels to come over but he never did. I
really hate being stood up. So I just
went back to work out side for about 4 hours filling up two trash cans with
yard waste mostly old dead leaves that have been composting for years. I also
trimmed back the honeysuckle bush that had a lot of dead growth in it. So I
worked my ass off but things are looking nice. I moved the BBQ over onto the
wooden platform I made. So it was a very
productive day even if in the 90’s still.
Less than a month left of summer. Late night dinner of summer squash,
hamburger and garlic mushrooms, Greek Salad, and grilled pita bread. Right
before going to bed Kyle Daniels called, the little shit and wants to see me
this weekend and go hot tubbing. We shall see. We shall see.
29 August 2015 Saturday
My blood sugars must have dropped really low in
the middle of the night. Woke up about 2:00 a.m. really hungry and I had a good
dinner that I even didn't eat until 8:30 pm yesterday. So I got up and had a
cheese stick that I shared with Lucky. That didn't take the edge off so I ate a
few whole wheat crackers. That didn't work either so I had a bowl of grape nuts
and that seemed to help. Stayed up until 3:30 a.m. bringing my journals up to
date with faithful Lucky laying in the Lazy Boy next to my desk. He can't sleep
without me by his side. This morning I tested my blood sugars and I was at 79
so who knows how low it dropped last night. Enough to make me ravenous for some
carbs that’s for sure... So now I am eating a good breakfast of sausage,
scrambled eggs, English Muffins, grapefruit slices and coffee. I never miss
breakfast even if I skip other meals. Eat your breakfast the most important
meal of the day. I worked a lot in the back yard again and about the only time
I left the house was to fill up the tank on the cruiser for the trip to
Gunnison tomorrow. I had a letter from Kyle Foote in the mailbox this
afternoon. It made great time because he
mailed it out on Thursday! He started his Culinary school classes and is back
in with his friends Todd and Jeff. He said the money I sent hit his books on
Thursday too. So Sitting outside after taking The Hounds for a ride and Daisy
for a walk around the block and reading the good news that Kyle sent I just was
smiling and grateful. 4:30 pm is such a pleasant time of day with the gentle
warming breeze making the globe willows sway to the music of the chimes... I
love my little home and feel so blessed to have my health and strength to take
care of three happy companions and maintain my home and yard... Grateful to
enjoy a hot tub and grateful to Kyle that built all this for me to enjoy in my
senior years... Just happy and feeling grateful to Providence and my place in
the universe at this moment in time before it slips away. Stupid new word of
the day BATPANDA- Bisexual, Asexual, Trans, Pansexual, Aromatic, Demisexual,
Agender…It’s supposed to be LGBT without the Gays.
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Bill
Poore You are so sentimental. After I read something like this I realize what a
cold mother f I really am. We are all blessed however that you stopped filming
before you showed us you in the hot tub. I loved the background noise of the
dog barking.
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Edgar
Ben Williams Unlike some people I know I've never done porno... Yet
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Bill
Poore Having lived in San Diego and LA I had a lot of friends in the porn
industry. I actually was roomies with a porn star while he finished his master’s
degree and became a first grade teacher in Texas....very true story.
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Roland
Ron Holmgren So I'm watching your video, Chennie and I are sitting together.
Chennie watches TV and loves when dogs or horses are on. Your dogs bark, and
she is so excited, and. Doesn't see a dog. Major disappointment. After feeling
somewhat depressed the last couple of days, your thoughts really hit home.
Thanks for sharing them. Made me think.
30 August 2015 Sunday
Couldn’t sleep past 5 this morning so got up
and worked a little on my research on Joseph Smith Glass Looker. This is the
first time in my life since I set up housekeeping on my own that I don't have
flour in the house. Seems unnatural. But if I have no flour, I won't bake, and
if I don't bake I won't eat the treats I learned to make since I was at least
10. Mom worked and my sisters didn't want to cook so I learned to bake cakes
and cookies on my own... Made a lot of good treats for myself and people I loved
over the past 50 years but now I have no flour... So no more alchemy in the
kitchen... I've told kids who are starting to set up a kitchen always have
flour, sugar, salt, milk, oil, eggs, baking soda, baking powder and cinnamon as
dry goods and you can make anything. Bill Poore was coming over at 10:00 so about 9:30 threw myself in the shower and
got dressed for the prison. I have it down to a science now. Long pants, my
shoes with no metal, no belt and a regular shirt. They are pretty regimented on
what you can wear and you also have to go through a metal detector. I bring
plenty of quarters as the vending machines will only take quarters. It’s often
a crap shoot whether you get anything out of the machines. If they get hung up
and don’t drop you don’t get your money back and the prices are all jacked up.
Anyway when Bill arrived we were on our way by 10 and we only stopped for
drinks. It was a beautiful day although cloudy like it wanted to rain but it
never did. Bill talked the whole way down so it made the time go that much
faster than when I go by myself. We
actually got into Gunnison by noon and after dropping me off I was able to see
Kyle by 12:30. I had no trouble or wait time on this visit, not like last time.
Everything could not have gone smoother. He was excited to tell me about his
class and how much food he ate. The prison has its own garden so he was eating
fresh tomatoes for the first time in three and half years, and real butter, and
bacon. He said he had not had bacon since he was arrested in December of
2011. I just listened to his excitement
and then shared what little news I had about Jim Dabakis intervening in Seth
Anderson’s behalf with the governor’s office. We talked some of career
prospects when he gets out, about prison reform, and about how selfish he had
been being so obsessed with paying back his restitution that he was hurting
people and how foolish he was about all his probation violations. I certainly
hope it’s not just prison talk but rather he is a changed and reformed man.
Well as usual the two hours flew by. Bill Poor always asks me what do we find
to talk about for 2 hours. Kyle and I have never been at a loss to find things
to talk about. The drive home was quick and uneventful and we were actually
home by 4:30. We were back early from our a little day trip with Bill Poore to
Central Utah where Bill looked up dead
relatives. It was a nice day for a drive and Route 22 was beautiful this late
August with green, green corn fields and grass as yellow as gold. It’s good to
get out the house for a while but even better to be back home. Funny if you
drove 130 miles in California you would have really seen a lot but here 130
miles is nothing but little Mormon farming communities. So I drove 260 miles
today and glad to be home in time to feed the pooches. Michael was just pulling
up with his trailer at the same time. He gave me some longer cable to hook up
the VCR but I hadn’t yet. I wasn’t sure if Kyle D was planning on coming over
because he mentioned it last Friday but I don’t count on him. When his dick is
hard and he is horny he will come around to see his cum dump. I was surprised
to hear from Levon via texting this evening. He wanted to tell me about a boy
he had come over to his place who is a 20 year old dance student at the U. He
sent me his picture and he is gorgeous but of course Levon found something to
not make it work for him. That kid. I tell you what. He wants to move from Utah
so badly and I don’t blame him but he’s still waiting to hear about his asylum.
It’s been over two years now. Well its about 10 pm and time for bed.
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Roland
Ron Holmgren You and Bill take nice road trips.
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Bill
Poore We are comfortable around each other, we both know we are crazy. I admit
it, he still thinks he is normal. We agree on our history, our sense of
community, and who we are as gay men. Neither one of us buys into any of the
new terms and pseudo-science on gender... we also are not afraid to be honest
with each other, he really hurt my feelings today telling me how lonely I am,
and that choice is totally mine., of course he is surrounded by three dogs, and
then guest dogs (B and Corky visiting days at a time, then of course Coco
dropped off daily. ) we are also comfortable fighting with each other, we don’t
hurt each other’s feelings but can be very blunt. He is pissed because I have
never invited him my small apartment. I told him I liked visiting his house, he
said he would like to get out and visit me. I finally told him I hated people
to visit me, I like to visit but don’t want to be visited....
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Roland
Ron Holmgren Why?
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Bill
Poore Roland Ron Holmgren I don’t know, as I get older I like to be alone in my
own space. I am slowly slipping in the role of a hermit, more and more. I don’t
attend events, just select shows I want to see. I am very comfortable being
alone. I don’t need people around me. I didn’t do Pride at all, none of the
SAGE gatherings.
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Roland
Ron Holmgren Damn you sound like me. Instead of thinking I am a hermit, I have become
a recluse. I only attend those gatherings that I really enjoy like the monthly
dinners the Turnites have. I am involved with my family but rarely venture out
of my comfort zone...I am alone, but not lonely. And quite frankly, I enjoy my
own company. My niece Roni is always welcome in my home for extended stays
because I really enjoy her company and companionship. I get frequent invites
from my Facebook friends, but so far, I have turned them down. I sometimes
think that I will not live up to their expectations or them mine. And I haven't
attended SAGE gatherings, never attended gay pride, etc. Much of my reluctance
is health reasons and, since my sister died, a very fixed income. Of course, I
am never quite alone, with two cats, a bird, and three dogs. Most of my life, I
have been a caregiver, and was for my sister for several years, when she died,
I decided for once in my life, I was only going to be a caregiver for myself.
So yes, I understand where you are coming from. \
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Bill
Poore Well you do have your cats, bird and dogs. They are a great comfort. My
cats left me this past year, I miss them dearly. Bill Poore I have to correct a
possible misconception, Ben did not hurt my feelings at all. I was joking about
the lonely remark. It would take a lot for anyone to hurt my feelings....
31 August Monday
Didn’t sleep well again. I was sweaty and woke
up about 2:30 feeling piquish so I tested my blood sugars and I was at 75. So I
had some buttered toast and jam and some grapefruit juice. I stayed up until
about 3:30 when I forced myself back to bed because I had to be over at Chucks
at 8:30 to take him to his doctor’s appointment to see about the ulcer on his
foot. He said it is healing. Then I was home by 10:00 for Stephen Bolinder to
come over and groom all the dogs. They were way past ripe. That took until
nearly 2:00 to do all four of them and I paid him$160 plus squash and tomatoes
out of the garden. We made an appointment for November 27th the day after
Thanksgiving around noon for their next grooming. Lucky even lost one of his loose canine tooth
that I called old snaggletooth so he acts like he’s feeling much better. They
all look so much better with their field cuts. I hooked the vcr up in the movie
room so I can show movies there I still have on tape as well as CD’s. That makes me happy. Started cleaning that
room up, dusting, and furniture polishing. Rediscovered some very old porn
copied on to VCR tapes from probably back in the early 1980’s that were hidden
away for years. I am sure the quality is going to be pretty lousy and I will
end up chucking it all. Pretty nice day
all in all. So here it is the end of
August and I am not back at school. Strange feeling.
SEPTEMBER
1 September 2015 Tuesday
This morning I thought I better get a handle on
my finances better since its September. So I went to my credit union in
Bountiful to find out what my balance is and to find out why I can’t access my
account on line. I was shocked and pleasantly surprised to find that I have
$7,000 in my checking account there! Then I Went up to Farmington to turn some
insurance forms for early retirement at the district office. How quickly I
already feel disconnected from a place where I worked for 27 years. Life certainly goes on without you. I rarely
eat out by myself but I stopped at China Star in Bountiful because I was hungry
for Chinese and it's good and inexpensive. I also doubt whether I will have a
reason to go into Bountiful as often either. I had twice cooked pork and
everything was delicious as usually but hardly anyone was in there even though
it was a little after lunch time. I laughed at my fortune cookie...”The way to
get to the top is to get off your bottom.”
I am so Gay so I totally took this as a sexual connotation ha! Since I
had money in the bank after all I did some shopping today. First I went to DI
and bought some things like a wooden shelf for outdoors and a nice blanket.
Then I went shopping at Smiths for food for the dogs when I saw they had these
wicker outdoor rocking chairs discounted to $45 from $150 so I bought one but I
wish now that I would have bought two .
It was warm today but only in the high 80’s. That crazy lady Kim Davis
County Clerk in Rowan County, Kentucky is sure lighting up FB with comments In
last year’s election, Kim Davis told the Morehead News, “The public is my boss.
Being a public servant is ingrained in me and I want (to) continue providing the
high level of customer service we do while treating people with respect,
kindness, and helping them with whatever situation they have.” This born again
Christian committed adultery while married had twins out of wedlock, been
married 4 times...but it all doesn't matter because she has been born again and
Gays are destroying the sanctity of marriage..
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Michael Ferguson you got me thinking of things I
haven't thought of in 20 years since my Faerie days. If you are delving into
the mysteries of the feminine creator you need to study Binah "the mother
of all" also known in Hebrew as Shekinah and Matronit. Chochma or pure
energy is her male consort in Jewish mysticism. Kind of like Yin and Yang. From
Binah's womb all "structures of positive existence came forth." Binah
is also "processed wisdom," or deductive reasoning. While Chockmah is
intellect that is either inspired or taught or even ethereal- not grounded .
Binah is said to be the "rational process that is innate in the person
which works to develop an idea fully." Binah is the Goddess within who
makes our ideas come to fruition. In the ancient 1st century Jewish text called
Bahir (the Book of Brightness) and source material for the Jewish Kabbalah it
says : “For you shall call Understanding a Mother.” During the Jewish Diaspora
the Goddess became known as Shekinah and associated with femininity, fertility,
and female symbols like apples, the moon, and the rainbow. Theologians have
suggested that this figure of a divine nurturer "served medieval Jews as a
feminine comforter akin to the role that Mary played for the Christian
believer." If God is an idea, the Goddess is the Word and the word was
manifested and became flesh in the form of the Christus. In anthropologist and
historian Raphael Patai's book The Hebrew Goddess, he argues that the term
Shekinah refers to a Jewish goddess akin to the "Greek notion of Parousia*
or the Christian concept of the “Holy Ghost”. She is at times linked to reading
of the Torah. When Israel studies Torah, it draws the Shekhina closer. The
Goddess then is the Holy Spirit that witnesses to all truth. To the Greeks she
is called Sophia or wisdom. In the Kabbalah's tree of knowledge Binah is on the
left column or left side of the brain. Logic is feminine which patriarchy had
flipped. Intuitiveness comes from Chochma who governs the right side of the
tree of knowledge or the brain. In the middle of the Tree of Knowledge is
Kether at the head of the central column known as the "Pillar of
Mildness". The middle column is associated with the Hebrew letter Aleph,
"the breath", representing the element of air. The Pillar of Mildness
is neutral and is a "balance between the two opposing forces of male and
female tendencies." I always thought that Kether described Gay folks...
that we were neither male nor female but a balance or bridge between the sexes.
It’s not that we are trapped in the wrong bodies but rather our spirits are
simply a combination of male and female energies giving us a gnosis perspective
whether we take on male or female forms. Male and Female is about gender
identities... being Gay is not... Gay is a perspective... a gift to be
Berdaches and Shamans. There is a reason why so many Gay people are born into
Mormonism but prophets are without honor in their own land. We Gays are the
children of Binah as we take the male idea and turn it into the female
creation. In 1993 I got a group of faeries together to create the Gay newspaper
we called the Pillar. It was hijacked but that is another story. I called it
Pillar because in the Sacred Faeries we called those who had knowledge of the
Faerie Lore and our Gay traditions and who were willing to teach others
"The Pillars". Initiates were called Pixies LOL. Those members who
were active but did not wish to lead were called Faeries. We had rituals
(similar to your apostate conversion therapy group) of birthing, raising cones
of power, using male energy to heal not harm, and celebrating the Goddess and
the God as energy and matter. The Goddess transform the Gods energy into
tangible matter...ie protons, electrons, neutrons into atoms and molecules. To
us the spiraling circle, as seen in atoms as well as galaxies was the divine
sign of the divine feminine not perpendicular straight lines of the masculine
the symbol of conflict. We danced in circles never marched in lines. So there
Michael Adam Ferguson I am done for what it is worth. Old Faeries never die we
just dim to a glimmer, a faint echo in a sacred cave. .
2 September 2015 Wednesday
It was a warm windy day and for the first time
I actually thought to myself that this is a school day and it’s not vacation or
a weekend. First time I really felt like I am retired. I putz around the house…
scrubbed some of the rings the potted plants made on the deck, did some other
yard work and called it a day by 9:30 and went and watched some Big Brother and
read messages on FB. Before heading to bed I typed in my address on Google just
to see want it said. Zillow a real estate site estimated that the property was
worth $155,000 but they had me listed as simply a 3 bedroom one bathroom house
and nothing about the bedroom and shower downstairs. They also said that the
Westpointe area had so many foreclosed homes on the market that its keeping the
prices of homes over here from appreciating as fast as other parts of the city.
Anyway I was surprised that they had Fran listed at this address and at an
address in Provo so I did some snooping. Evidently Fran never remarried as I
had thought but had bought a condo in Provo at 468 East 200 North #4 … That
surprised me so I tried to find out more but she has very little information on
line which is typical because she was always so paranoid. Fran is 70 years old
now and appears to be still working as a Register Nurse but specializing in
mental health issues. Wow Circles. I have not seen or spoken to Fran since
probably 1992. “Frances Williams Health specialist - Provo, UT (801)
373-4760(Phone) 750 N Freedom Blvd, Provo, UT 84601 Specialties: Nursing (Registered Nurse),
Psychiatric Nursing” Jim Dabakis invited me to a celebration for the launch of
his new "UP Utah Progressive" TV show which will air every Sunday
morning at 9:30 on ABC4 Utah! It’s on the 10th of this month at the New Yorker
at 4:30. I saw an obituary for David Pettigrew. I knew him but we did not hang
out in the same circles. He was friends with Mark Angus and I guess Ben
Anderson.
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David Steven Pettigrew died peacefully in his sleep at home while in
hospice care on September 2, 2015. David was born on September 7, 1948 in Salt
Lake City to Margie Silvers Pettigrew and Richard Anderson, adopted by David
Pettigrew. David was kind, compassionate, caring, generous, and a friend to all
he met. Regardless of what others thought, he always found the best in
everyone. David was NOT easy to forget. His intellect was superior in all
facets of life. His love for poetry, photography and the universe made you
think about your own life. David was the rock fairy, audiophile, mentor and
friend to all. His wit and humor were infectious. He loved and is survived by
his pack of dogs who miss him already – He was the Big Dog, the Alpha. David is
also survived by his husband, Christhian Munoz-Macias; brothers, Bill, Scott,
Craig, Kory, Shon; sisters, Liz, Suzie, Patty, Sherilyn; Uncle Tom Silvers
(Ginger); numerous nieces and nephews. Preceded in death by his parents. A
viewing will be held from 6:00-8:00 pm, Monday, September 7, 2015 at Larkin
Mortuary, 260 East South Temple, Salt Lake City. A graveside service will be
held at 10:00 am, Tuesday, September 8, 2015 at the Salt Lake City Cemetery,
280 North Cypress Avenue. Memorial donations may be made to the Humane Society
of Utah.
3 September 2015 Thursday
I went down to Sutherlands this morning to meet
Chuck who came in on Traxx. He wanted to check out screen frames for his window
that got damaged but they wanted way too much money . So I took him to Dollar
Tree over here on Redwood so he could buy some sugar free cookies and cleaning
supplies. He wanted to come over after that and see the pups so we sat outside
and visited for a bit. It was very windy today, a warm southern wind a Zephyr
Wind. Since it was almost noon I took Chuck out for lunch at Chubby’s. I hadn’t
eaten there since Levon and I had a fight there almost 2 years ago now. Lunch
was good and I know Chuck doesn’t get the opportunity to eat out often. After
taking him home I went to the DI on 7th South and about 2nd East where I bought
some clothes. Another sports coat and some pants and a shirt. The sport coat was a woolen gray tweed much
like the one I bought at Nordstroms at the Crossroads Mall so many years ago.
From there I went to Lowes to buy a cover for the BBQ grill. The other one I
bought 4 years ago and it was pretty shot. They had a close out on some plants
suitable for the shade for a $1 each so I bought 8 of them. When I got home I
started watering the vegetable garden and flower patch because the dry warm
wind was sapping every bit of moisture out of the ground. Also did some weeding
in my flower planter boxes. Yesterday I notice that some green tomatoes had
been picked and probably thrown by the Northwest Jr high kids that walk by my
place when they get out at 3:30. And sure enough about 5 Mexican kids walked by
and one gets into the Tomato patch and takes a tomato. I yelled at him to get
out of my stuff and that if he would have asked he could have had a tomato
but you don’t just steal stuff that
don’t belong to you. I said I know your parents taught you better than that. He
was trying to act all tough in from of his peers but another kid asked if he
could have one and I said certainly. I guess the school teacher is still in me.
Anyway I was still stuffed from such a big lunch that I didn’t have any dinner
until late. Worked in the back yard some and then checked Facebook before going
to bed. Tyler Ferguson called me as I was heading over to Mike’s with the pups.
We made an appointment for next Thursday at 11 a.m. at the Paradise Café in
Bountiful. He was meeting with Liz Beck just before me so I said I’d meet him
up there rather than him driving down here. Other than that the day seemed to
slip away from me. Going through my VCR tapes I saw that Romeo and Juliette
tape was ruined. Made me a little sad but I am sure it’s still available on
DVR. I saw it with John Cunningham in the summer of 1969 so it contains sweet
memories especially the theme song that played all summer long. Before going to
bed watched a VCR tape we recorded back in 1997 when we brought Smokey home as
a puppy and Priscilla was just a little over a year old. There was old Oscar
there too. A clip of the yard showed that we still just had a linked fence up
around the back yard. Lots of changes over the years.
4 September 2015 Friday
Michael Romero got me to craving an Apple
Fritter from the Donut Shop at 27th South and State Street after talking donuts
yesterday so I got up about 6:45 a.m. and drove all the way over there for an
apple fritter. Talk about obsessive compulsive. I had a restless night last
night having to get up and Pee almost every hour. Finally at 1:30 am. I tested
my blood and it was 195 high but not crazy high. I had a Greek Salad of fresh
tomatoes, cucumbers, Greek olives, and feta cheese right before going to bed so
that should not have affected me although a little bit before that I had a bowl
of cherries and a banana. I think the big Mexican lunch at noon was what set me
off. This morning when I tested it was 91 so a 100 pt swing. Weird.
Mike is heading out today some place North until Tuesday so I bought him
some donuts to take with him. Later today Alan Anderson and Kyle Daniels will
be dropping the hounds off as they head back to Nebraska for a family reunion.
So babysitting this weekend. I saw a t-shirt on Facebook that sums up my
feelings “Retired Teacher All Children Left Behind”
5 September 2015 Saturday
What a difference a day makes...The zephyr
winds from the south are all gone. The temperature today has dropped to the low
70's. Cleaned out all the old leaves that gather beneath the deck and porch
crawling on hands and knees with a leaf blower and then hosed it all down. It’s
a chore but necessary and all pretty now. Yesterday I planted some shade plants
ferns and hostas in the back yard that gets little sunlight... hopefully they
will thrive... Bill Poore came over to see the pups and then too me out to East
Sea for a late lunch. Was really good but ate too much... we sat and talked
about all our old men complaints... I came home after that for a
snooze...Chinese Food knocked me right out. Fixed the five pups their supper.
On the menu tonight was left over pork loin, baked chicken thighs deboned,
Rachel Ray's kibbles, and a dab of grated cheddar. They must of loved it for
all their bowls were licked clean. I am have a rum and coca cola enjoying the
light breeze outside. I need a bigger lap because whenever Lucky sits in it
Corky has to jump up too. Curtis Jensen shared this and I could not agree any more
with his sentiments... “Religion is used now to hate people not love
them..." when I was a very small child I remember that Churches were at
the forefront of social justice civil rights and equality fights. But then...
the ERA battles of the 70's started to bring out the asshole in religious folk,
then Jerry Falwell started his bogus "Moral Majority" movement that
formally politicized Christianity and really kicked off changing the defining
aspect of Christians into not what good works they did for the world, but who
and what they could pass judgement on. The GOP, knowing that hatred and fear
are great for centralizing power ate that right up. It's all come home to
roost. The GOP is dominated by hatemongers, bigots and xenophobes. I'm actually
wistful for the days when someone could claim they were GOP because they were
"fiscal conservatives" or liked a "strong defense" (no
Republican can claim that with a straight face anymore - there's the small
matter of a 3-6 trillion dollar debt for a bogus war/defense contract give-away
on their bloody bloody hands). All that's left for them are religious kooks,
billionaires who can buy the government they want and angry fearful white
people who are afraid they will have to learn more Spanish than
"burrito" and obsess over the idea that some black woman on welfare
had a fried shrimp for dinner once last year.~ Curtis
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Roland
Ron Holmgren Where is the East Sea? Your dog’s eat better than some people.
Except for the kibbles, wrap that meat around some bread, and that would be a
good sandwich. I am waiting for the winds to settle down to do some leaf
blowing.
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Bill
Poore Roland they do eat better than most humans. I have seen their meals, I
could easily eat it. The kibbles are softened with all the juices so it is
cool. Ben spends a great deal of time cooking their food. When Cocco is there
and Alan's dogs are staying for a long weekend meal time is like walking into
Chuck O Rama.
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Edgar
Ben Williams East Sea is at North Temple and 9th west about a block east of the
State Fairgrounds... Just trying to keep my pups healthy and happy...
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Roland
Ron Holmgren I thought that was the restaurant. Across from the Fairgrounds. I
am taking my niece to the fair, and since I never eat at the fair, but always
go out to dinner after the fair, might stop off and try it out. It seems to
have been there forever.
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Edgar
Ben Williams I think the food is tasty and reasonably but don't expect warm and
friendly service... Kind of typical Chinese
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Bill
Poore It is ok not great Chinese, of course having lived in NYC and SF always
ate in non-tourist Chinese places that the old Chinese men ate
6 September 2915 Sunday
Suppose to be 57 degrees tomorrow morning...
Fall feels like it's on its way... My tomato harvest so far but have lots of
green ones still... Hope they get to ripen before any cold snap... Never can
tell with strange weather... Worked in the front yard raking and pulling
weeds... On the menu tonight at the House of the Barking Dogs Roasted chicken,
navy beans cooked chicken broth, Rachel Ray kibbles and a dollop of cheddar
cheese... Bhanni like to dine by herself. Evening is cooling down so might hot
tub and then call it a day...Everyone one wanted on the bed tonight ... Bhanni,
Corky, Lucky, Buddy, and even Daisy... I guess I will curl up into a ball
myself ... Martin Milner the actor from TV show Route 66 died today at the age
of 83.
7 September 2015 Monday Labor Day
Bhanni and Corky sure were cuddle buddies last
night one sleeping by my head on the pillow and the other on my side...they
liked their bellies rubbed... Bhanni is like Lucky not morning dogs while Corky
and Buddy are up barking for their hot dog treats... Which everybody got one...
Time to get up and make coffee Picked Alan Anderson and Kyle Daniels up at the
airport when they got in about 7 pm
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Alan
Anderson Did Corky lick your forehead to sleep?
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Edgar
Ben Williams Yes he did... He's a kissing maniac. Corky thinks he's on holiday here... Drags
out all the toys ...jumps up and helps himself to treats...humps Lucky AND
Buddy all day long... Naps on the bed
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Alan Anderson What makes you think he is on
vacation? That's what he does at home too.
8 September 2015 Tuesday
Restless night and rather than just lay in bed
got up at 4 a.m. to have some coffee and working on something I am researching.
I only kept the dining room light on so the pups would sleep but faithful Lucky
as always came out to lay beside me when all of a sudden I see something out of
the corner of my eye scampering like crazy skittering across the floor as Lucky
is in mad pursuit joined by Daisy into the kitchen. Whatever it was it got
away... I am sure it was a mouse and as much as I'd like to blame Corky for
inviting his trashy friends into the house it is probably the cooler weather
that is driving critters inside. If you see one mouse there are usually plenty
more you don't see. I worked in the back
yard some getting rid of old composted leaves and removed the red paving stones
to settle the dirt where I had moved my outdoor swinging chair. I hadn't been
feeling well… kind of run down and by this afternoon my right thumb started
throbbing so badly that I thought I had broken it. I took some Aleve and then
took a nap. The Aleve didn’t help and I barely woke up in time to take Coco
home. My thumb was now swollen and had red streaks and the pain was making my
whole hand useless. So after taking Coco home I thought I better go to Urgent
Care rather than wait in the morning. I almost died once from blood poisoning
so I thought better have it checked out.
I headed to Urgent Care on Redwood and 4th South and amazingly I didn’t
wait but about 5 minutes before seeing this doctor. He was much older than me
and semi-retired and he was really concerned. I also had red soreness on my
belly where I give myself insulin and when the doctor saw both these infections
he was quite concerned. He scared me a little when he mentioned flesh eating
bacteria but I think he was trying to impress me how serious this is and he
did. He immediately gave me a shot in my ass that stung like hell but hurt less
than my thumb. He wrote out prescriptions for anti-biotics Cephalexin and some
Sulfamethoxazole which I am supposed to start tomorrow if I don’t have a
reaction to the Cephalexin. He also gave me some pain pills to which I am
grateful for. I don’t like pain pills but they are nice to have when your thumb
feels like it’s going to burst... After picking up the prescriptions at the
Smith’s pharmacy I just and laid down in bed to watch some TV and hope for the
best. I wrote on Facebook “If you don’t hear from me tomorrow come feed my
dogs. So hope everyone else is doing okay...”
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Joe
My God blogger wrote “-Yesterday the Liberty Counsel filed an emergency motion
to Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear, demanding that he release Kim Davis from jail.
This morning Beshear told the Liberty Counsel to suck it, saying that he will
not even respond to their motion. BOOM!” With all the social issues that causes
real harm this phony Christian Kim Davis choses marriage equality over poverty,
hunger, homelessness, racism, immigration reform. She is a martyred to bigotry
only. But She is being played by millionaire white men just as Anita Bryant
was. Too bad she doesn't believe in live and let live as does Anita Bryant does
now after playing the patsy for the Chri$tian Right.
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Kent
Scadlock There's a new addition request in GMA, he is a friend of Lon Breeden.
I thought I'd approve it. Objections?
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Benedgar
none
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Charles
Lynn None. He reached out to me (Lon)
9 September 2015 Wednesday
It's nearly 10 am and I'm still in bed...I must
have needed the rest... Antibiotics must be working... Don't feel as fatigued
and my thumb while still sore is not throbbing in pain. Lucky is by my side
comforting me... I appreciate all the concerns and advice posted yesterday...
Roland Ron Holmgren I am curious how did your thumb get infected? Glad you are
feeling better. I had a doctor who once told me when your body demands sleep,
give it what it wants. I have no idea how it became infected. There's no cuts,
break, scratches or bite marks. I thought at first I had broken it because it
was so painful but I hadn't done anything to break it. I had been working hard
in the yard, raking, hoeing, digging and I noticed that a lump had developed at
the base of my thumb under my skin that was tender. I thought I had just the
beginning of a callous. Whatever it was became more sore until I could see my
thumb swell and red patches from heat so knew it was infected. Have not a clue
what caused it. My belly I am sure became infected from all the insulin nodule
that form in an area of injection. All I know that my thumb hurts when I bend
it to grasp anything. .Infections are weird how they just creep up on
you...people complain about the times we live in... Not me... In any other age
I'd be dead already carried away by microbes... But I'm here still to fight the
good fight and love and laugh .... Sing and Dance while we may ... We are only
here a short while. Rowan County Deputy Clerk Brian Mason tells BuzzFeed News,
“I would issue licenses,” even if Clerk Kim Davis tells him not to. Christian
Inc the corporate billion dollar business that controls the extremist sects of
Christianity is milking the Kim Davis sham for all its worth. She is punishing
others for her own sins as a delusional way of showing devotion to Jesus Christ
by listening to the rantings of hardcore haters who know how to play into the
bigotry of their base. And the money keeps rolling in. Davis thinks her sins
are forgiven but she doesn't realize that forgiveness is conditioned on
forgiveness of others. If she was a true disciple of Christ she would Do unto
others as you would have done to you and love one another. She think
forgiveness only applies to her narrow views of who God loves and will save . Luke
6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I
say?" Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord,
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven Matthew 22:36-40 ."Master, which is the great
commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God
with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the
first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love
thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
“Putnam County, Tennessee my Grandpa Johnson's ancestral home... They may be
hillbillies but they understand the Constitution So over this privilege
millionaire Republican person... Not a role model for anyone but Kardashian
followers If you believe as I do that Utah Lands cannot be trusted in the hands
of a land developer state legislature please sign
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Val
John Mansfield Nov. 17, 1956 ~ Sept. 9, 2015 Long-time gay activist Val
Mansfield died September 9 with friends and family by his side. Mansfield had
been heavily involved in Utah's LGBT community since the 1980s and was for
decades known for being the graphic designer of every Pride celebration and
many organizations. He most recently served on the board of QUAC-Queer Utah
Aquatic Club-and traveled to international meets, where he consistently placed.
He also competed in the International Gay Games in Chicago and Cologne,
Germany. He previously served on the boards of the Gay and Lesbian Community
Council of Utah, Desert & Mountain States Lesbian and Gay Conference, Utah
Stonewall Center, and the Lesbian and Gay Chorus of Salt Lake. He was also a
member of Queer Nation, Gay and Lesbian Utah Democrats, and, later, Utah
Stonewall Democrats. Mansfield also represented Utah at three LGBT
"Marches on Washington" in 1987, 1993, and 2009. and designed the
T-shirts worn by those delegations. He was awarded the Dr. Kristen Ries
Community Service Award in 1993. Friends knew him for his dry wit and constant,
quirky smile. The youngest of 7 children, Val was born in Vernal, Utah, on
November 17, 1956, to Henry A. and Mildred L. Mansfield. He attended BYU, where
he majored in Germanic languages, then served an LDS mission in Finland. He had
a lifelong career as a printer and graphic artist. He is survived by his
mother, Mildred Mansfield (Vernal), brothers Leon Mansfield (Vernal), Loren
Mansfield (Anchorage, Alaska), Wynn Mansfield (Vernal), and Marc Mansfield
(Vernal), and sisters Dana Colovich (Vernal) and Ramona Rogers (Sheridan,
Wyoming). He was preceded in death by his father, Henry A. Mansfield, and by
his partner, John Flint. QUAC will present a "Pink Flamingo"
synchronized swimming memorial at the Fairmont Park Pool at 12 noon on Sunday,
September 20th, after which we will congregate at Club
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Ben
Edgar He also was a Utah member of the Desert and Mountain States Conferences,
Attended the 1987 March on Washington as delegate from Utah. Participated in
the 1st Gay March here in SLC 1990...Chair of GLCCU's Outreach Committee in
1993... Utah representative of the march of Washington 1993 steering
committee. Kristen Ries Community
Service recipient 1993 with Kathy Worthington and Ben Barr....January 1996- The
Board of Directors for the Utah
Stonewall Center are Chair Nikki Boyer, Julie Brizzee, Jimmy Miller, Stan
Penman, Val Mansfield, Hank Hannah, Ben Williams and Kim Russo... BTW that
picture is from 2003 when Chad and I had the history kiosks at Pride. I was
rounding up recipients to have their pictures taken
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Richard
P. Butler I had a serious infection several years ago while on vacation. It hit
me overnight. I awoke in a sweat and shaking like a leaf. The insta-Care gave
me a Horse Shot in my butt to stop the infection. Still took several days to
finally feel human. So I know what you are going through. At least you weren't
1,000 miles away on vacation. Glad to hear you're feeling better.
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Edgar
Ben Williams I got the same horse shot... stung like the devil... that is why I
don’t go on vacations wink emoticon
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Patricia
Ann Jarvis And you're drinking lots of water, right?
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Edgar
Ben Williams Yep thanks
10 September 2015 Thursday
Feeling much better... thumb has stopped
throbbing and redness going away as is the insulin poked patch on my belly.
Still going to take a break from yard work and typing on my research paper on
Joseph Smith's earliest vocation as a treasure hunter and diviner. I have so
much antibiotic to take it will be weeks before I consume all the pills they
gave me. I have enough to clear the Sun - Trapp of all social diseases. After I
am through with them I know I will be a clean teen. Ain’t no bugs in me. I went into Bountiful to meet Tyler Ferguson
about my retirement. He said that I needed to fill out a W2v form so that
Social Security will take my taxes out rather than me getting hit with a big
Tax bill next April. Also I need to contact Ticor’s HR and get the pension from
them going. Its only 21 dollars a month but Tyler said they might pay me a lump
sum settlement to take me off their books. He said in the next couple of weeks
I should be receiving from the district my early retirement incentive and when
I need to access it just contact him. I should be making $3,000 a month after
taxes to live on so that would be wonderful. It still feels strange to be
receiving money without going into work but Tyler just laughs and says that I
had earned it and I suppose I have. Chuck Whyte informed me that Val Mansfield
had died which makes me sad. He was such an important part of my Gay activist
days in the 1980’s. I first met him when I initially began getting involved in
the Gay and Lesbian Community myself. I think I first met him in 1986 at a
Lesbian and Gay Student Union Meeting on the Campus of U of U . I think he was about
5 years younger than me at the time. He was involved in every social justice
progressive Gay organization of the time. He designed all the Gay Pride Posters
from 1987 until about 1992... was on most of the Pride Day Steering Committees.
When the Gay and Lesbian Council of Utah was formed in late 1986 he was one of
the initial founding members and served for several years as Chair of the
Outreach Committee which was charged with speaking to the media and college
forums about misunderstandings surrounding Gay people. He was at the March on
Washington in 1987 and I remember seeing him at the great Wed-In performed by
Rev. Troy Perry. He was an active member of the Desert and Mountain States
Conference as a Utah delegate, he was involved with Queer Nation, was on the
steering committee for the Utah delegation for the 1993 March on Washington. If
there was a march or a demonstration, or a protest Val was generally there. Val
could be caustic sometimes and usually had a sardonic sense of humor but he was
a dedicated soldier fighting for Gay rights in Utah as can be seen by the many
letters to the editor printed under his name. He received a Dr. Kristen Ries
Award in 1993 along with Ben Barr and Kathy Worthington. That was the calibre
of his character that he is forever linked with Ben and Kathy. he was. We did
not always agree on issues and I am not sure that he even liked me but I always
admired his love and dedication to his people during the darkest period of our history.
I am glad he lived to see Marriage Equality happen in his life time. For those
who knew him, argued with him, laughed with him, fought the good fight with,
partied with him, and loved him there is a hole in our community that few will
ever rise to the occasion to replace. Good night Sweet Prince
Val Mansfield 17 November 1956 9 September
2015Interesting day ...went and saw my financial advisor about retirement
income. He relieved a lot of anxiety and it looks like I will be fine...then I
heard the sad news about long time active Val Mansfield...then off to Jim
Dabakis soirée and finally home to crank out a 1200 word column for Lambda Lore
just under the deadline... So goodbye September 10, 2015 and goodnight all...
Goodnight Salt Lake PS feeling much better Proud to support our Senator as he
launches his new TV SHOW and UP, Utah Progressives! Just got home from Jim
Dabakis kickoff party for his Sunday morning TV program... So nice to have a
liberal progressive on the air... Sat and visited with Charles Lynn Frost while
munching on cheese and water ... Lol saw a lot of nice people there like
Patricia Ann Jarvis and Boyer, David Andreason, Duane Jennings and hubby Brian
G. Benington... Beautiful September evening. Still hard to believe that Val is
gone At Jim’s event while mingling a gentleman starts a conversation saying you
must be a St. Louis Fan...I looked at him kind of puzzled and he says Your
hat...it has the St. Louis logo on it... I said "Oh? I only bought it for
the color!" A classic example of the difference between a Straight man and
a Gay man lol He knew his sports teams ...I knew I wanted a bright canary
yellow hat... 😎
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Jamie
Turnbow Before I assume things and didn't know him so don't know situation how
did Val die? Wasn't he the one you wanted to do the logo for our pride out of
pride thing?
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Benedgar
Yes that was Val ...he had a mass on his brain stem and it killed him...
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Jamie
That's sad.. I'm sorry for your loss. Makes me sad.
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Benedgar
Regarding Gay Men Aloud This isa message
Jerry Buie sent me... How should I respond? Suggestions? Hey Ben:
what has happened to gay men aloud?
This is your group?? I remember seeing a page and requesting to be added
to the group..... Now the group seems to be gone. Between sage and pride counseling I'd like to
get people involved... Was the group taken down? Anyone know Brent Barron? He
requested to join... Nothing much on his FB page
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Kent
I don't know Brent Barron. As far as Jerry goes, I don't know him. I only know
what you and Charles have told me. Based on that information, I'd be reluctant
to give him any information. What are you two thinking?
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Benedgar
I am reluctant to include people who are associated with the Pride Center and
SAGE in general because I feel that their actions or lack thereof was one of
the reasons we felt a need to create a group for Gay men. I am reluctant about
Jerry because he sees Gay people as income and is really a part of Gay Inc that
has failed us as a people. Reaching out to me is a sign how desperate Jerry
wants to infiltrate the group and yes I mean infiltrate. I would hate for Jerry to use the group to
promote his social work income. I know some people who have gone to Jerry for
therapy and have been helped but everything Jerry is involved in has a
financial incentive for him. I really don’t know Jerry personally well enough
to dislike him but the interaction I have had with him and his organizations
tells me he's LGBTQI and not of my tribe.
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Kent
I'm good with all of that, Ben. How do you communicate that to him? He doesn't
sound like one you can ignore and he'll go away.
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Benedgar
I know ... I will have to think about it...
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Charles
Lynn Jerry is a gossipy, controlling, mess. He dominates all groups, and he
thinks he's the smartest leader, therapist in the county. If he were to join it
would be out of pure infiltration as to what he could take, use, share, gossip
about, and financially benefit from. I SAY a Firm No to Jerry. He has been
whining to Kip and Doug about joining. He and Richard Starley are birds of a
feather, and would bring argumentative group gatherings, etc. I say no to both
of those SAGE leaders. Now Kip Swan and Doug White I trust immeasurably. Brent
Barron is another of Lon's friends I think. He is harmless and could benefit
from this a lot. Did Jerry reach out to you Ben? What the conversation if you
don't mind sharing briefly. What did you tell him? He is terribly bothered by
not be admitted to the group. He focuses on drama, wherever and whenever he can
get it, and THIS is his new quest to get admitted. He'll use discrimination and
exclusion, but we can (especially me) can share the MANY, MANY reason why he is
not a good fit for the purpose of this group. He will try to take it over, and
he will plot and share all our meeting conversations with his buddy Kent
Frogley. There I have said my piece. Sorry if it sounds strong, but it comes
from long time experience with this controlling and manipulative person.
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Benedgar
I posted the message he sent me at the beginning of this thread. I haven't said
anything to him yet. Never considered for a moment of letting him be part of
the group. I was looking for suggestions how to tactfully tell him this group
would not be a good fit for him
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Kent
I was wondering about a tactful way to say no, too. It sounds like his
personality needs to have more of a direct NO!
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Charles
Lynn I am sorry, I did not see the message from Jerry, but that is quintessential
Jerry Buie, asking and innocuous question, and acting all uninformed, and then
digging for more. He knows it is the three of us, because Kip and Doug have
told him so. He knows from the QSL article that I am involved, and he knows my
graphic design style very well, and knows the AD was created by me. He is
trying to divide and conquer with his little "I know this is your group,
what happened" question. I suggest a simple and forward response.
Something like this. "Jerry, Gay Men Aloud is a closed group for a reason,
alignment, trust, and the general overall good will of the aging Gay male
population. The 3 founders of the group reserve the right to accept or not
accept people into the group." He knows why he is not invited, nor
welcome, and this is his modus operandi. He'll send you a response email
telling you why he is all the things the group requires. My suggestion is a no reply
and then let him be. I would tell him the names of the 3 founders, so he knows
for sure this is not "your group." He also knows we have been
discussing this for months and months now.
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Kent
Charles, I just got off the phone with Ben and we came to the same conclusion.
You and Ben have my 100% support with the "Jerry" issue.
11 September 2015 Friday Day of Remembrance
I went out to Daybreak this evening to attend
Kimberlee Gile’s 50th birthday party. Hardly can believe she is 50 now. When I
first met her in 1997 she was just 32 years old. I made a Carrot Cake with
cream cheese frosting for her birthday because I doubt whether anyone was going
to bake her a cake. Other than making the cake I cleaned the house pretty good,
changed sheets and clean the bathroom because Kyle Daniels said he was coming
over after work but again he flaked off. He wanted to come over after 5 pm but
I said no can do because of the party. So he said let’s try for Sunday. I am
not holding my breath. Actually it was fine that he canceled because we would
have had very little time before Mike came over to pick up Coco. Mike is taking
his trailer down so he can drink and spend the night. Anyway, Ieft about 5:30
and went down Redwood because I knew the freeway would be crazy with rush hour
traffic. It took me almost an hour to get down there because I got lost because
I didn’t know that their street name had been changed. Ugh! But it was fine. I
also brought some tomatoes from the garden and a birthday card where I wrote
that Kimberlee was my family of choice. Gay Elder and her cousins all came up
from Las Vegas and her dad and step mom were in from Florida. It was a nice
mild evening and it was good to catch up with the Giles. Of course my carrot
cake was a hit. It always is. I told them it was the best carrot cake and I
think they thought I was bragging until they had some and everyone said it was
the best cake ever. I just smiled and said I know and I will give Kimberlee the
recipe so she can share it. Michael was really getting drunk and everyone else
was getting there but I just had a bowl of chili and some water. I said my
goodbyes at 9:00 and then headed home which only took about 25 minutes on Bangerter
at that time of night. I never did hear from Kyle. My leg is still real sore
where something bit me but with all the antibiotics I am still taking it should
heal that too. A Hungarian camerawoman was fired after being caught on camera
tripping refugees running from the police. These freshmen tea party Michigan
legislators had based legislation on their Christian beliefs. They introduced
several anti-marriage equality bills to attack Gay marriages. So to cover up
their adultery he concocted a scenario where he said he was being black mailed
by a Gay hustler to make the idea of an affair with a woman less credible!
Proof that teabagger are mentally unhinged. The 2 districts they had
represented about 180,000 are now without representatives LOL That's what you
get for electing Tea Baggers Here is a letter that my 6th grade student wrote
about his feelings from 11 Sept 2001.
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13
September 2001 Dear America My name is Grant. I am 11 years old and I'm really
sad what happen to America but the terrorist sink as low as the dirt. They
thought they won but they didn't. Some people in Afghanistan had no choice to
celebrate because some of them had a gun pointed at them. The man who did this must've really hated
America. Why would anybody hate America. We're so sad right now but that
doesn't mean we're going to curl up in a little ball and die because if we did
do that they win. Thats why we don't show that we're scared we show them that
we're stronger. They can blow up buildings they can destroy land marks and
symbols but they can't take away our freedom. Just remember the firefighters
who were running into the falling Trade buildings to rescue lives so whenever
you feel sad think about the firefighters and America the land of the free and
home of the brave. PS thanks for your time. Sincerely Grant
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Bill
Poore All the men that responded from the fire station around the corner from
where I lived on Christopher Street died that day......I get sick to my stomach
if I even think about those boys....and they were just boys.
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Hello everyone. This is Val's friend John
Bennett. Thank you for all your wonderful posts of loving support at this
really difficult time. There have been a lot of questions about a memorial so I
wanted to post that QUAC has agreed to do a "pink flamingo" tribute
to Val at the Fairmont pool at 11 AM on a Sunday to be determined shortly.
After that performance we will invite people to congregate at Club Tryangles
for a barbecue. This was Val's usual Sunday routine and we thought it fitting
to honor him in this way. Once the date has been determined it will be posted
here.
12 September 2015 Saturday
Two and a half hours of yard work is enough for
one day...filled another large garbage can with yard waste but I think my front
yard is done...just maintain it I suppose. I got a letter from Kyle Foote today
dated the 4th. Why is it that some days I can get a letter within 3 days and
other times it takes 8 days like this one did. Mostly talked about his cooking
class and how he is enjoying it but he was frightened a little I think when his
friend went before the Parole board with favorable reports from his therapist
and others and had a clean record but the parole board sent him back to “serve
natural life”. So Kyle is now worried that they might keep him in Prison the
full 15 years rather than releasing him next year.
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Benedgar
Jerry Buie just contacted me again like a blood hound so this is what I sent
him... “Hi Jerry...I've been taking a break from things informing old
friends of the devastating news of Val Mansfield’s death and dealing with some
of my own health issues. To answer your
questions about Gay Men Aloud it is not my group solely but a shared project
that I administer with two others. I
really don't think the group would be a good fit for you as we want to take a
break from LGBT anything and just concentrate on celebrating Gay men
exclusively ... It's not an entirely open group as that we see it as a tribe of
likeminded older Gay Men who feel isolated from the direction the LGBT movement
is headed. Right now a decision had
been made to only admit people who need an advocacy group and are not involved
in the larger LGBT organizations. The
purpose of the group is to be of service towards one another and build up a
sense of community again among older Gay Men... We are in many ways
disconnecting from the politics of LGBT by simply being an all-volunteer
service organization...It's not simply a Gay men's organization only but one
that we hope to build into a tribe of likeminded Gay Men... It definitely will
not be for everyone. And while we will never be anti- anything we are going to
be totally pro-Gay men which in this community may be offensive to some. But it's not that we don't care about the
rights of LBT people we just feel they have plenty of advocacy groups and
programs for them. we are going to
create our own space for a very small but neglected demographic.... Others are
free to do the same. I know you will understand that we feel like it may filter
what some people may say in sharing if members of the group know that Board
Members of other organizations are also participating. We are not here to compete with SAGE and will
promote your events but this group's main identity will be of Gay Men, for Gay
Men, and by Gay Men who still believe we are a folk and our orientations are
immutable. We will be letting folks know if you are not a Kinsey 6 than there
are plenty of other groups that the Pride Center is promoting. I hope that answers some of your concerns and
questions... Take care
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Charles
Lynn Excellent response Ben. Be READY for Volley 2, 3, and 4. He is relentless.
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Benedgar
I have out lasted greater foes than him
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Kent Well done!!! Proud to know you both.
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Benedgar
Kent Charles suggested we have a flyer or handout for rules of conduct at our
meetings and what we are about to hand out to new comers. I suggested a
tri-fold leaflet... I've done them before... I will have it laid out by Tuesday
when we met for DI and I will get one to Charles...then if you make corrections
or changes we will have time to print them off. I will be happy to pay for
about 100 copies and we can just hand them out to new comers...
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Kent I think that's a great idea and I'm happy to
help with the cost as well.
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Benedgar
It won't be much anyway... You're buying cookies I'll do the printing...
Charles is providing a writing board
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Kent
Sounds great!!!
13 September 2015 Sunday
It seemed muggy a bit today with temperatures
in the low 90’s. Bill Poore came over at 11 a.m. to take me to lunch at the
Greek Festival. I had been there in over 25 years. Bill Poore was hankering for
some Greek Food and since this was the last day of the Greek Festival he
invited me to lunch. I hadn't been to the Greek Festival in over 20 years. The
lines for food reminded me of lines at Disneyland. We were in line 45 minutes
before we got inside to select food... They were efficient just super crowded.
I had a Yeero and souvlaki which was all good and Bill didn’t have too much more
than I did it cost him $38. Oh well like he said it was a donation. We watched
the Greek Boys dance and then left. It will be another 20 years before I go
again probably
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Jerry
Buie -Yes it's interesting.... Is there an interest to promote the group via
sage as I would guess many would appreciate this endeavor.
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Benedga
SAGE will always be promoted for the
services it provides for LGBT seniors. SAGE is one of the primary resources
that we reference in the group. We will also have a list of counselors anyone
who might be dealing with mental health issues regarding aging. We are hoping
that GMA will help mature Gay Men who have retreated back into a closet of
isolation who have no connection with the GenderQueer Theory promoted these
days
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Jerry
Buie Do you want us to list GMA in our newsletter? The other day I was trying to find GMA for a
client when I realized I was blocked....
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Me-
It is better to have the person go to the FB page and ask to become a member. It is important that for our
purpose to have only Gay Men who only identifies as a Gay man... We feel it is
important to have a safe space for Gay men energy. Again this is not an open
men's group but a reconnection to our Gay roots without all the layers of LBTQI
on and on. If the person is bisexual or not sure about being a Gay male this
would not be the right fit. We aren't a support group per se but an strong
advocate for Gay Men's culture, history, community, and sexuality.
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Charles
Lynn With all your excellent description etc., Jerry needs to back off. SAGE is
in its last stages, and in fact--near board dissolution. Tons of in-fighting,
and no leadership. Yet he the leader has time to plague you. We have LCSW's in
GMA, and they in turn can provide referrals if needed. Having been the SAGE
Director F/T and P/T for 4 years, I too know of many resources for many
reasons. We will never be a case management group, not our purpose, and
duplicates the many other case managers for various organizations out there.
Good news on the Trifold. I think for the PURPOSE area, you may find valuable
stuff in the article I wrote for QSL. Let me know if you need me to send it to
you in WORD format.
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Benedgar I sent the proto type to both you
Charles and Kent by email as a document this morning. Feel free to modify ... I
think because it’s a word document you can make changes... Charles if you want
to delete some of it and add purpose you have in your article feel free... it’s
just a prototype to show what a trifold would look like printed front and back.
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Kent
Thanks Ben. I did get it this morning. I just got home a bit ago and I'll take
a look at it tomorrow with some rested eyes.
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Charles
Lynn I am planning on looking at it on Monday as well. I have the day off.
14 September 2015
Monday
It feels like Autumn has arrived. The
temperature has dropped to the mid to low 70’s. I took Chuck to his foot
doctor’s appointment this morning so I didn’t get home from that until after
ten. I worked some in the from yard and even cleaned up some of the space
between my drive way and my neighbors who has let it go to weeds. The rest of
his yard looks great but he parks an open trailer there and I guess don’t care
how it looks. I do because Sunday night I see him cutting metal or something
that was sending sparks up and into that dry grassy area and I thought shit all
I needed was for that to catch on fire so today I cleaned out about a four
foot buffer between my property and his.
I wrote Kyle Foote two letters today, one just kind of newsy and the other a
survey that UPAN wanted inmates to fill out about their sentencing matrix. I
know way more about the prison system than I ever expected to learn. In the
evening I drove out to West Valley to the Hunter’s Library as Kyle wanted to
attend a UPAN meeting. It was informative but went longer than it should have
so I left and came home to write Kyle what I had learned. There was a debate
between Jackie Biskupski and Mayor Becker tonight at the Mexican Civic Center
but I doubt whether either will do much for the west side. And we are cut off
my trains from getting in and out of the city Redwood Road and 4th west are the
only north and south corridors that aren't blocked by trains. That's like only
able to go north and South on 4th east and 17th east without stopping for a
train. That's nearly 2 miles!!! East and west the only routes into the city are
600 North, North Temple, 4th South and 13th south... If you are having a heart
attack ambulance have to detour or get stuck my a train to get to hospitals on
the east side. Rich Butler posted that he’s retiring from Kennecott this year
after working there 17 years. Chester Nez the last of the Navajo Code talkers
who served in WWII died. Japanese Intelligence could not break the Code that the
Navajos created to help win the war in the Pacific. All are gone now and belong
to the ages. Interesting that the true resting place of the remains of the
people killed at Mountain Meadows has been located.
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Doug
Murri I visited the site a few times when I lived in St. George. There's a real
sad, depressing and negative energy about the place. Hard to describe. But
everyone I've taken there feels the same horrible energy.
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Edgar
Ben Williams Where incredible sorrow and grief and horror is ... It leaves a
psychic memory ...
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Doug
Murri Mountain Meadow certainly proved to me that that statement is utterly
true, Ben. It's a lush, green, quiet and beautiful valley. One would think that
this beautiful meadow would be a place of great peace, beauty and rejuvenation.
But I can't think of any other plot of earth that has given me such uneasiness.
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Dear
Kyle, I went to the UPAN meeting tonight held in the Hunter Library that you
wanted me to attend. The meeting lasted two hours although it was supposed to
have only been from 6:30 to 8:00. There
was panel of speakers there to answer questions about the implementation
of HB348 that goes into effect October 1st. Greg Johnson from the Utah Board of
Pardons, Craig Burr DOC Director of Programming, and Steve Gehrke DOC
Transition were there to respond to questions. I am enclosing a hand out that
was given at the meeting explaining HB348, which is the law now that might
explain it better than the notes I took.
But here goes…When you entered prison your case manager should have set
up a Case Action Plan [CAP] which is supposed to help you meet some goals for
your parole hearing. The law now provides for 4 months early release for
completion of programs like sex offender treatment, drug abuse counseling, and
completing a GED. A person can get up to 8 months reduction of sentencing with
a successful completion of two of these programs. Vocation programs must be in
your CAP for you to qualify for early release. I asked specifically if Vocation
programs qualified and they said no unless they are in your CAP but the parole
guy said the board looks quite favorable on taking training that can be used
for to make a living outside of prison. The parole guy also said the main thing
they look for in a person’s file is “progress.” They said also that the vending
machines are what pays for vocation programs. The state budgets $400,000 and
the vending machines make $700,000. So I guess I won’t feel so bad anymore when
the machine doesn’t give you what you put into it. They said that inmates
should have had their original hearing where they hear a release date. I
understood that inmates have to serve the minimum sentence but could be paroled
any time after that or serve their entire sentence and then be terminated from
prison without having to be supervised. They said Release Plans should show
what support systems are in place and vocation plans. A rehearing is generally
about when a person is going to be released. Greg Burr said he used to be a
Captain of Housing at Gunnison and he talked about different programs for Drug and substance abuse
offenders and programs for sex offenders. He said that Gunnison has no program
for sex offenders but when they are ready to go into the program they are
transferred to Draper or one of the county jails that offer the program. He
said that the DOC has not had any increase funding for sex offenders since 1996
and a third of the prison population are sex offenders but there is no budget
to pay for more treatment programs. Burr
said that a thing called Prison Ed while beneficial for furthering general
education lacks any accreditation. On September 26 all Case Managers will be
“Correctional Specialists” that are being trained in Risk Assessment that is
presented to the Parole board. They will still be correctional officers and not
social workers because they can’t find social workers willing to work in the
prison for what the state is willing to pay. I thought it revealing when it was
admitted that the DOC cannot hire the
staff it needs to fill all open positions. So I don’t know anything else to
add. Most of the questions from the
audience of which was I suppose 50 people were about sex offender treatment. I
think I heard them say that there isn’t any CAP program for white collar crime
inmates but you can ask your case manager I suppose. Well that was about it. They used a lot of
acronyms for programs that I have no clue. You should also be getting a survey
that UPAN wanted people to send to inmates to fill out and then return to them
about the matrix. I sent it in a separate letter. Well its late now and I am feeling tired so I
guess I will head for bed. I think of
you often and are never far from my thoughts.
I love you and care about you.
You are not unloved in this old world. I am, as I ever was, and shall
ever be yours
·
Benedgar I got an email from Dennis at the 1st Baptist
about October 19th our second meeting in October. I said that should be just
fine so let’s hope we start out slow LOL
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Ben—
What dates do you have down for October? We have a dinner in the hall on the
19th— I would move you to the parlor but the women’s AA is in there until 9 pm.
If your group is small we could move to the conference room that night. you can
seat about 30 folks in there. Let me know Dennis
15 September 2015 Tuesday
I usually don’t Warch the morning news but I
did today and I guess the polygamist community of Short Creek was hit by a
flash flood that washed away a polygamy family with about 13 people being killed mostly children. I
added Charles’ comments to the flier I made for GMA to be able to hand next
Monday. Then I sent off the last of three letters I sent to Kyle about UPAN
this morning as I left the house to meet up with Kent Scadlock at Deseret
Industries when they opened at 10 a.m. I went there primarily looking for wide
mouth mason jars to make some sauerkraut once I learned how packed sauerkraut
is with probiotics to help balance out gut bacteria. I found some and bought
some knickknack stuff especially candles. I bought lots and lots of candles for
magick and just for emergencies when the power goes off. Then we went to lunch
and Kent suggested The Sunshine Café across the street from Orchard El. I knew
of the place but had never eaten there because they started in 2005 about the
time I left Orchard for Washington. We both had the Taco Salad special which
was good but no better than I make at home. Funny the waitress was the mother
of Amy who did her student teaching with Larene about 2 years ago at Washington
and went through the education program at Westminster with Kyle Daniels. I met
her once before at the rib joint on 3rd West. Small world. It began to down
pour while eating lunch and I thought it was an indoor lunch recess for sure in
school. Upon leaving I notice a screw was stuck in my front wheel tire so after
parting with Kent I headed up to Discount Tires to have it looked after. They
were busy even in the torrential rain and took 45 minutes for them to look at
the tire. Goodnews they said my tread is still good on all the tires and they
also rotated them for me. I was home by 3:00 after driving in a belly washer on
the freeway to Smith’s where I bought some groceries. I sure can be petty at
times because I was peeved when I went to the Express Lane and the woman before
me had 3 separate orders, paying with a voucher, and visiting with the checkout
clerk. All away me other people who were way after me and had more stuff were
being checked out before me. Then I thought to myself just shut up I had no
place to be and this woman had a small child and probably was on assistance. I
needed to be more grateful that I am not. That was something Kent and I
discussed because he’s mainly the caretaker of his aged relatives now and I
said I feel so blessed that my health and mental faculties allows me to keep up
a house and yard and provide for my three pups. I guess I was peeved because
the universe was not working like it should. It’s the express lane lady. But in
the scheme of things with hundreds losing their homes to fire in Northern
California, a whole family in Short Creek killed in an instant, and hundreds of
thousand Syrians desperate to get to the west, what do I have to complain
about? An extra 15 minutes in an express lane? It rained much of the day and
much of the evening and I made a meatloaf for me and roasted chicken thighs for
the pups. All though I didn’t eat anything for supper but a bowl of bran flakes
and a bag of popcorn. Spent some time
messengering Kent Scadlock and Charles Frost about Gay Men Aloud. A memorial
for Val Mansfield will be this Sunday, Sept 20th 11 am @ Fairmont pool in
Sugarhouse. There will be a Pink Flamingos performance put on by Quac, then Tryangles
for a drink; just like Val did every Sunday for years. Come celebrate his life
with us.
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Benedgar
We can refer Jerry BUIE to the men's group Men Who Move lol... Happy a gay
group for younger men has started though... More men groups the better
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Kent
Agreed!!
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Benedgar
Any objections to a Scott Olds? I don't know him requesting to join
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Kent
I know he's a friend of my friend Steve Patterson and they work together. No
objections here.
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Benedgar
I looked at his FB page he seems like a nice person ... Let's invite and
Charles can block later if he objects hahaha
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Kent
Ha! I'm fine with that. Is Charles?
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Benedgar
If not I am sure to get my hand slapped... Lol
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Charles
Lynn Fine as well. Do all three of us know of the object or problem short list
of people? For me it's Buie and Richard Starley. I know Kent has Connell. Any
others? Ben? I think if they aren't on the short list we can just each approve
and hope for the best. Ben I feel we need to send out an event reminder, since
we're less than a week from our first big and exciting meeting.
·
Kent
That's because I approved Ben's one exception when I shouldn't have. Sorry
Ben!!
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Benedgar
Oh hell bring them all on in except for saboteurs which I think Jerry and
Starley would be because they are so contentious...I agree Charles tomorrow I
will do a blast on the page to remind people and also to get a head count on
how many chairs to put up
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Kent
And cookies to buy.
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Benedgar
Yep
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Charles
Lynn LOL. Who did you approve that Ben wasn't really happy about Kent?
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Kent
I can't remember. Ben, who was it?
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Charles
Lynn, Who was it Ben?
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Benedgar
I can't remember may be Brad O
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Charles
Lynn Dilorio? I understand.
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Kent
Was is Chad Brewer?
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Charles
Lynn I think your saboteur rule is a good one.
·
Benedgar I think so... I once told him to go fuck
himself and the horse he rode in on lol
·
Charles
Lynn The exciting thing, is word is getting out. People are telling other Gay
Men, and they are wanting to be involved, and for the right reasons.
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Benedgar
The Men Who Move group has 18 members
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Charles
Lynn The word "mature" will keep a lot away--that would not be a good
fit. Although there are those that are interested in hanging with mature,
intelligent, wise, and life experiential Gay men. What the Fuck is the Men Who
Move, and who started it?
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Kent
I agree. It's exciting we're looking at 133 members as of today.
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Benedgar
Yep and if they all come on the 19th were screwed lol
16 September 2015 Wednesday.
I had a restless sleep getting up to pee and
the rash on my right leg is coming back. You’d think with all the anti-biotics
I have been taking that would clear up most anything I have. Anyway it itches
and I have to be careful not to scratch because I don’t want another infection.
Since I couldn’t sleep I just got up at 4:30 and tested my blood. 66. No wonder
I was woken up. So I fixed me a good breakfast of Sausage and scrambled eggs.
It rained almost the entire day. A Torrential rain here in Westpointe about 10
am and the birds are squawking to beat the band...and a whole flock of birds
flew out of the trees...never seen it before...made me think the maybe another
storm is coming...it certainly is soup weather...I put on a crock of pinto
beans to cook over night...so I guess I better bake some corn bread while I am
at it...I am going to make a couple of jars of sauerkraut today to start
fermenting... Homemade sauerkraut has the highest percentage of good probiotic
bacteria for your gut....Had Bill Poore over for lunch. Fixed meatloaf, Green
beans, summer squash, and pinto beans. Also made some corn bread and banana
bread. I mean how can you have beans without corn bread... Unnatural... I made
three jars of cabbage that in 10 days will be sauerkraut! Yummy... Bill
suggested taking classes at the U because seniors our age can take a class for
$25 and I suggested we take a Gender Theory class and shake things up... I can
see Bill and I being escorted off campus by University Security but it would be
so worth it. In the afternoon I went out to best buy to get a new ink cartridge
for the print. That was $75. It was a laser printer cartridge so I hope it
lasts me a good long while. I made some French onion soup for this evening. It’s
that kind of weather. Super good and easy. I sent home half the meat loaf and
banana bread with Bill and I gave the rest to Mike Romero when I took Coco
home. Just watched Cry Baby and curled
up in bed. The Republicans had another debate but just a bunch of pathetic
sociopaths out of touch with reality and delusions of grandeur.
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Charles
Lynn Men Who Move was started by peter
stoker, as a way to get information about STI's and HIV/AIDS to a younger gay
men who have sex with men population. Hard to access, besides online or at few
bar nights, especially designed for young thinks of all colors. Peter works for
SL County Health Dept, in charge of STI's etc. We'd better plan for the bigger
room? Are we always going to be ousted if Dennis Mc. gets another group? If so,
we may need to re-think the Baptist church.
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Benedgar
Men who Move? Site says some guy named Chord
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Charles
Lynn Chord wrote the article for QSL, but Peter is the organizer of the group.
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Benedgar
Yes but let's see how it goes and perhaps this was planned before he scheduled
us ... Gotcha
·
Kent The acronym MWM means something entirely
different to me.
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Benedgar
What? Is Peter a Gay man /
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Kent
Married White Male. Ha!!
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Charles
Lynn UDOH, CDC. HHS, and counties use MSM because it is the largest at risk
group. Mormon Homos who fuck around, or have Mormon Men fuck groups, do not
identify as Gay. Hello, and thank you Utah, and other reason we are so fucked
up.
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Benedgar
Lol if this group was not formed to build community it won't last..
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Charles
Lynn Agree.
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Benedgar
It's his job not his passion
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Charles
Lynn Yep. He started the Men Who Move group for outreach, education, and
information sharing to groups that are not easily accessed.
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Kent
I wish that group well. Not to boast, but I think we are offering substance to
this group of men that is coming together. I didn't mean for that to sound
snotty.
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Benedgar
True
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Charles
Lynn I agree Kent. Our group has a much more defined purpose and mission, that
group is get out information to young men. Hispanic MSM are the highest
infection rate for STI's and particularly HIV. They don't talk about it, and if
you TOP, you aren't really gay. MSM with over 55YO is the 2nd highest infection
group. TMI for you two maybe, but I think that 50+ group is a bit frightening,
considering many lived through the AIDS horrible years.
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Kent
Definitely not a TMI moment. It was going to happen sooner or later. Rocky O’Donovan
is requesting to join GMA.
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Benedgar
I just saw that .... Let's wait awhile and see how Monday goes
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Kent
I'm fine with that. Part of me is saying let it go and move on and the other
part of me is having flashbacks.
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Benedgar
I think it's better if he's not at the first meeting so when or if he comes the
group will already been established ... I almost want to tell him it won't be a
good fit for him if he's more sympathetic to the BLTs than the Gs
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Kent
I'm good with that, Ben. However, I can see Audrey II, oops, I mean Rocky,
being there Monday regardless.
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Benedgar
Well we have to deal with him then. Rob Cross sent me this message Robert
Edward Cross “Robert Edward Cross Hello Ben, Rob here, Do you need any help
with refreshments? as in cakes or cookies?” I replied that Kent had this first
meeting covered but maybe at the first meeting we could talk about a
refreshment committee
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Kent
Sounds great. Thanks Ben
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Benedgar
It looks like it was Ruadhan O'Sheridan that wanted Rocky to be admitted ...I
know they are close friends and take trips together... So don't know if Rocky
wanted to join or whether Kevin Warren (his real name) just wanted him
there...I think we should just wait until Rocky requests it himself
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Kent
I'm good with that
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Charles
Lynn I feel you should send a modified version of the same message to Rocky
that you sent to Jerry. It's the same issue basically, domination, not checking
opinions, and certainly not keeping the group's discussion confidential. I have
learned that about Rocky--a person can learn just about anything about anyone
by talking to him. He is neck deep in T sympathy, and I feel would sidetrack
the purpose of the group. He has been friends with both of you at one time or
another, and now again with Ben, so you two decide, but I feel interrupters
will be a distraction for the overall success of the group. I also agree with
Kent, that he is pushy enough just to show up, but then of course so could
Jerry. I do feel Jerry has a modicum of decorum however and may self-select out
of intruding.
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Kent
I'm fine with Ben's wait and see approach with Rocky. If he is a no-show
Monday, then we'll have established ground rules and a precedent for future
meetings if he attends in the future. I think if Rocky is pissed off before our
first GMA meeting he will do anything, and I mean anything, to sabotage our
nascent group. Am I making sense?
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Charles
Lynn I understand, however he hasn't ran up against me in this world, and
although he is riding high with his Troy Williams' ass-kissing award from EU,
he can and would be told to fuck off and shut up. Sorry for the direct and
confrontational approach, but i have found the Queer community needs it to be
the Goddamned direct before they get it.
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Kent
You are correct, Charles. That's exactly how Rocky understands things. He's
been that way since our mission.
17 September 2015 Thursday
There used to be a time when Republicans
nominated war heroes and generals like Eisenhower for the presidency. Now they
nominate draft dodgers and others with no service to their country to be
Commander in Chief. How can anyone with an ounce of common sense not see Donald
Trump for what he is? A rich sociopath. The Libertarian faction of the
Republican party are ideologists who could care less who their policies hurt
because it will not be them. The Republican party has been hijacked by
billionaires like the Koch Brothers, and Fox News and News Corp who are owned
by an Australian Rupert Murdock and Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal. If you
think Fox News cares about America you are an idiot. Billionaires have used the
media to exploit the racist, misogynist, homophobic, xenophobic, and Christian
zealots in this country by appealing to their fears and their deep ignorance.
Look at the caliber of people the Republicans are running for the office of
President of the United States... It would be funny except for the fact that
it's incredibly pathetic that people in America will vote for them... Look at
the picture... these are the men who control the propaganda and lies reported
on a so called News media... Republican Liar …Former Arkansas Gov. Mike
Huckabee said that Hillary Clinton was “under investigation by the FBI” because
she “destroyed government records.” Not true. She had the authority to delete
personal emails. Huckabee also said that the Dred Scott Decision of the 1857
Justice Tanney Court was still the law of the land. That decision confirmed
that slaves were property and the black man had no rights that the white man
was obliged to respect. Huckabee compared Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis to the
victims of the Columbine high school massacre. Republican Liar. Florida Sen.
Marco Rubio said that U.S. policies to combat climate change would “do
absolutely nothing.” The U.S. acting alone would have a small effect on rising
temperatures and sea levels, and experts say U.S. leadership on the issue would
prompt other nations to act. Rubio stated that his parents were forced to leave
Cuba in 1959, after Fidel Castro came to power when actually his parents left
Cuba in 1956, during the dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista. Man there are some
delusion sick people out there. Theodore Shoebot an anti-Gay former Muslim
Christian Nationalist said the was a plot by Gay people to kidnap her and rape
her in front of her fourth husband ..if someone called Kim Davis up and said
they were going to rape her in front of her tied up husband it certainly wasn't
any Gay folks.. duh Kim... I don't want to be the one to break it to you honey
no Gay man is going to get within 10 feet of your cooter...
18 September 2015 Friday
Kind of
a mixed bag day... After changing out the water in my hot tub...the heating
element went out so having my spa guy come out this next Wednesday to see what
is wrong but in the evening Alan Anderson came over for chili and salsa and to
watch a movie...watched a little of ABFAB and then Red Foxx in Norman is that
you? Kyle G. Daniels came over a little later. Alan brought the pups to play
here so it was a fun evening.
19 September 2015 Saturday
Today is Grandpa Johnson’s birthday born in
1901 Commerce, Texas. Certainly can tell that Corky was over last night from
the massacre of stuff toys scattered all over. It is 3:45 and I have done a
bloody thing all day... No Provo Pride, no Salt Lake AIDS walk, no farmers
market, no yard work, no housework...Being as lazy as Lucky "we're so
sorry, uncle albert, But we haven't done a bloody thing all day. We’re so
sorry, uncle albert, But the kettle's on the boil And we're so eas'ly called
away."
·
Bill
Poore- Did you see Obama just nominated the first openly gay man to be Sec of
the Army...he is currently acting Sec of Air Force. This is pretty much should shut the gays up
on Obama. He just appointed the first
trans to a big job in the white house last week. By the way the gay Sec is hot.
20 September 2015 Sunday
Went to Val Mansfield's memorial at the
Try-Angle that Gene Gieber graciously closed to hold it the service. We have
such multifaceted lives that only at funerals does it seem that all of those
elements come together. There were his work associates, QUAC team members, and
community activists from the old days. Val was one of the good guys and I am
glad I was there to say goodbye and toast his memory. I took Chuck Whyte with
me and saw lots of familiar faces and friends there. John Bennett and Gene
Gieber were responsible for having a service for closure on the life of a Gay
man who made a difference in this old world.
Dan Fahndrich was there as well as Randy Olsen from Unconditional
Support Days. Dan asked if I had heard anything from Kyle and he was surprised
when I said that I write him every month and was shocked when I told him that I
also drive down to visit him. This evening
I am sitting on the veranda feeding the dogs under a bright half-moon
listening to the crickets this last full day of summer... Eating late because I
was out with Kent Scadlock getting ready for a group tomorrow. We went up to
the first Baptist to scout out the place. Charles never showed but really
wasn’t necessary and then we stopped at Village Inn for some supper and to
chat... I had a platter of onion rings and a diet coke to say goodbye to
summer...
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Kent
Good Morning! We're we going to meet later this afternoon to check out the
space at the Baptist Church?
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Benedgar
I thought we agreed to about 5:00 or 5:30? Should not take long ... Just to
look at the space and where lights, chairs, and facilities are... Is that okay?
I will bring a copy of the agenda we set back in August to refresh ourselves...
I hope it's not just us three tomorrow but if so we still know how to have a
good time!
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Kent
Sounds great. I'll be there.
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Charles
Lynn Sorry, Just saw this. Has been a hellacious week with work, and a busy
weekend with Sister Dottie Emceeing and riding through the SL AIDS walk. I
apologize, but did not check FB or email today until later this evening. I will
be there tomorrow, and I am sure you two got it all figured out. Please email
me final agenda, and what time you want us as First Baptist Church. I have my
assignment, signage, etc. ready.
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Benedgar
We looked at the place and we will be able to move some of the Bingo tables and
sit by the north wall near the kitchen so you can have a wall... Really not
going to be a big deal setting up... I have fliers made, Kent has cookies...
The Key works, we know where the lights
are and I will email you the final agenda... We missed you but figured with
AIDS walk and crap you might be exhausted and needed some down time with Cash
and the Cowboy ... Kent and I are planning on being there at 6 so just get there
before we begin at 6:30 and we will be fine... No stress. PS if we have ten
people there beyond us 3 it will be a success
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Charles
Lynn I agree, however I do predict more than 10, from what I have heard. I have
had many people tell me at AIDS walk, and other places, "see you next
Monday, we're/I'm excited." I'll arrive at 6pm to get the signage up and
in place. etc.
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Benedgar
If we are starting at 6:30 that means people will start arriving a little
before then so it's good that we will be there early
·
Kent
I'll be there at 6:00. I'll have the treats and ice for the water container.
·
Charles
Lynn I have the large post-it flip charts and markers, signage for directing
people, my part of the program readied. anything else you want me to bring Ben?
Are you doing the roll or am I? I forget. I will also have Buie/O'Donovan Pest
Spray, just in case we need to rid the group of pests. ; )
21 September 2015 Monday
Spent the afternoon in the front yard, edging
the grass and tearing out some yellow pear tomato plants after harvesting
them... Still have lots of big green tomatoes... Hope they ripe before October
frost... Otherwise into the window sill they go... Just got home a little while
ago from the first meeting of Gay Men Aloud that we held at the 1st Baptist
Church. We set up 25 chairs thinking that would be more than enough but people
just kept coming and we had 35 attending in all for our first meeting several came
who only read about in the QSalt Lake. I really appreciated that Pastor Curtis
Price came and welcomed us since we are meeting in the cultural hall. I think
the meeting was energetic and it refreshed my need to be with a bunch of men
from my own tribe. Kent Scadlock and Charles Lynn Frost are the best. Mabon my
favorite season of all...Days are warm...nights are cool...it's also known as
the 2nd Harvest or Harvest Tide...it's a time of color ... Abundance ... And
change. Mabon corresponds with the sun crossing the equator and the autumnal
equinox or Fall... I need to make apple scones to celebrate Mabon 2 cups
all-purpose flour 1 teaspoon baking powder 1 teaspoon salt 3 tablespoons butter
1/4 cup sugar 1 cup apple, cored, peeled and minced 1 egg, beaten
2/3 cup milk Garnish: 2 tablespoons butter, 2
tablespoons sugar Stir together flour, baking powder and salt in a mixing bowl.
Cut in butter; add sugar and apple. Mix in egg and milk; stir until a soft
dough forms. Knead until well blended. Spread in a greased 9 inch pie pan. Bake
for 25 minutes at 450 degrees. Cut in wedges Spread tops with butter, sprinkle
generously with sugar. Serve warm. I guess the Soccer field Athletic Complex
was finally opened today after nearly 13 years. It’s just about a mile north of
my house...glad the obstructionists lost and the west side where soccer is
played has this great facility... It's huge...The Salt Lake City Regional
Athletic Complex will accommodate soccer, rugby, lacrosse and youth football competitions
and features a flexible stadium field and room to accommodate multiple,
simultaneous events as well as large tournaments. The facility creates great
new playing space for local athletic teams as well as a venue capable of
hosting competitions and tournaments for Salt Lake City high schools, youth and
adult club teams and regional events. The Salt Lake City Regional Athletic
Complex is located at 1900 West and 2200 North between I-215 and Redwood Road.\
·
Me
to Bill Poore-Thanks for coming and being supportive... I am sorry about your
hearing aid. I hope you do take them to the VA...It must be extremely
frustrating ... want to come over tomorrow for dinner? How about 6 you like
homemade mushroom soup?
·
Bill
- love it with crackers
·
Me-
You got it…What time to you go swimming tomorrow? Kent and Charles just nailed
me for a 6 pm meeting Tomorrow ... We can have a late lunch or early lunch I am
flexible...
·
Bill
- that is ok, go to the meeting. You should discuss the closed meeting
policy.....that seemed a little awkward tonight or was it just me. I am
teaching both tomorrow and Thurs 9:10 to 11: then swim actually 1 to 3. so free
any other time.
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Benedgar
to Kent Scadlock I think we are good to
go ... Should we keep a roll or just keep a mental tabulation who came... A
roll might be perceived as too regimented... I know between the three of us we
will know who is there... But I agree that after not coming at all perhaps
through the first cycle of the three of us that would be January we drop them
from FB.... But if you think we need one I can bring a tablet or I can just
take notes while you do your chart thing... Any objections to the two people
requesting to join... Campbell Rainy and a Harmon I think ... I am good
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Kent
I'm fine with the 2 people requesting. I'll have a legal pad for signups for
the homo teaching if we want to note people attending.
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Benedgar
I will go ahead and add them so they can attend tonight if they want
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Kent
Great!
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Benedgar
Charles when do you want to get together...Kent and I are free tomorrow
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Kent
If not tomorrow, Thursday works for me too.
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Benedgar
Same but sooner the better while our minds are fresh...
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Kent
Also, thank you both! I'm so pleased with how things went and so happy with the
turn out.
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Benedgar
Charles we made 43 dollars in the cigar box and I told Kent to take out what he
spent on refreshments but he only took out 10 and donated the rest. So we have
$33 to donate to 1st Baptists... For October I think I will just bake four
loaves of banana bread and provide that with the cookies left over that I took
home and put in the freeze for October's
meeting... Are you okay with donating the money or do we need any seed money? I
can't think what for...
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Charles
Lynn I'm at work now. Give me until 11pm or do and I'll check my Google
Calendar. If tomorrow would have to be 8:30am when I get done with the radio on
X96, or preferably late afternoon after I get up and take Cash for a long walk.
Not sure if that works for you two. I have to check calendar and I'll confirm
in a while. Crazy pants night at work, but it'll settle by 11 or so. I'm very
encouraged by the turn out and response. We owe Kip a real thank you for
getting us out/off of the negative couple of voices. I learned afterwards who
the Buie plant was, and who was not. The short guy with striped shirt and white
hair was just unaware. It was the dude by Ruan who was the plant. I would
recommend we have a small petty cash fund, printing, ink, supplies presenters
might need, refreshments that we purchase, etc. etc., not more than $200. I
think after that we should wait and give the pastor a check of some
substance--say $100. And then do that regularly. Curtis told me "they are
very happy to host us and consider it an honor we chose them." I think
they'll be fine with a $100 donation now and then. Your thoughts?
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Kent
I like the idea of a reserve for misc. expenses that Charles mentioned and then
the donation to the church. I can't imagine anyone would have a problem with
that.
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Benedgar
I am okay with that ... How should we save the money?
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Kent
In a coffee can under the mattress for Buddy and Daisy to protect it.
·
Benedgar
I can do that... We are all trust worthy but would like two people to count the
money each meeting and I can keep a ledger....right now we have $33
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Kent
I'm fine with that Ben.
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Benedgar
At the postmodern for each meeting we can discuss if supplies or something is
needed and I can get the money to whoever needs it... Should we post how much
money was donated and where it is going? I'd like to be as transparent as
possible unlike other organizations
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Charles
Lynn I think you should keep. You two count and verify. Let's not get too
formal. I think you should report live at meetings what we have in petty cash
and when you make a $100 donation to the church for facility usage. People do
trust, and I believe they trust us.
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Kent
I'm good with Charles' suggestion. If we were dealing with large amounts of
cash, I think we'd have to have a more thorough accounting. Also, if tomorrow
works for you Charles, the afternoon is better for me.
·
Charles
Lynn Thank you Kent. Like I said-I have to do X96 at 8am with WHAT WOULD SISTER
DOTTIE DO? Then I usually go right home, walk the dog quickly and sleep,
because I am old, and tired, and ornery by then. Is 5pm too late for you two
gentlemen to meet? Do you want to do coffee (maybe too late, some decaf) or
grab a lite bite and debrief at 5 or even 6. I can do either and will leave it
up to you two. I can also meet any morning earlier for coffee (after my night
shifts this week.) I do that with early rising folks all the time. Meet for
coffee etc. say around 8ish? That gives me time to get home, walk Cash, and
then meet people for a shorter meeting. If you want me ALERT, PERKY, and extra
SWEET the afternoon is best for that. Chime in you two. Also, if it is best
that you two meet, without me for the post mortem of the 1st meeting, I am fine
with that as well. I know my schedule is the difficult one. We can always meet
on weekends too, which are typically free for me. I think sharing our
perceptions of what we saw and what we heard collectively as well as
individually is of tremendous benefit and will help us shape the first few
meetings to be very satisfying for the members. I was so glad that most felt
hearing other mature Gay male stories would be beneficial. Stories are the most
important thing that will CONNECT us and form the tribe Ben speaks of. I felt
good about tonight's meeting. The time flew, and we are going to have to gently
set some rules of decorum. Some people just want to talk about everything.
Chuck wants a massage triad btw. Non-happy ending, just a homo teaching massage
triad. Lord help me. He corners me instead of telling this shit to Ben. Thank
God Brent Marrott saw me cornered and came and rescued me, or I'd still be at
First Baptist listening to his ideas. Love him, but we may have a few we will need
to remind. Pleasure working with both of you.
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Benedgar
5:45 works ... I feed the dogs at 5
·
Kent
5:45 works for me too.
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Charles
Lynn Perfect. 5:45pm it is. Our regular place, or somewhere else Uncle Ben?
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Kent
I like the idea of a lite supper.
·
Charles
Lynn As do I. How about Paradise Bakery on 400 S. and 600-700 East?
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Benedgar
Stick with tried and true
·
Charles
Lynn Oh My.
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Benedgar
Lite supper is fine with me too... I'm good
·
Charles
Lynn So bad Chinese, West of Redwood?
22 September 2015 Tuesday
Time passes and you lose contact with people
who were once an important part of your life. I met Mike Howard in 1986 as a
member of the Restoration Church and a member of Affirmation... He was 29
bright, vivacious, cute as could be and exploring his spirituality as a Gay
man...we were so close we once considered a plural marriage...however I went on
a different path and he on his and I carried sweet memories of him from those
difficult years of coming out and leaving an unauthentic life behind. Willy
Marshall informed me of his passing just yesterday and it's ironic that
tomorrow will be the anniversary of his death ... I last saw and visited with
him in 2007 and it was a sweet nostalgic visit not knowing he was so ill that
he would be gone the next year. I met his family once and they were good
welcoming people...however all traces of Mikes authentic life was erased in his
obituary. Not a mention of his being Gay or being in a long term relationship
or that he was an Apostle in a Gay Mormon sect... Just that he had gone on an
LDS mission... I see this so often how Gay men lives are exterminated in Utah
LDS obituaries.... tragic and wrong... It tells the world they were ashamed
that they did not value their son's life journey.... Some of you may remember
Mike. He was a sweet sensitive and loving soul...
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Michael
Sherman Howard, 51, peacefully, and with grace and dignity, passed away on
September 23, 2008 at the home of his parents in Lehi, Utah after a long and
patient struggle with cancer. He was born to Ken and Rae Howard on June 9, 1957
in Provo, Utah. He was the oldest of 4 children and is survived by Scott
(Kimberli) Howard, Dallas (Rich) Harris, Rachel (Todd) Humphrey, his parents
and 19 nieces and nephews. Jimmy Olsen (Jack Larson) has died also... RIP Boy
Reporter on Superman and openly Gay. I baked an Apple Scone to celebrate Mabon
or Autumn and a crock pot of creamy mushroom soup... Bill Poore came coming
over after exercising at the VA pool to share... In the evening about 5:45 met up with Kent and Charles to discuss the
meeting yesterday. We met at Paradise Café and were there until nearly 8 pm. We
discussed how our October meetings should be set up. Afterwards went to Trader
Joes for the first time in 30 years with Kent. It was just next door but
nothing there I couldn’t live without for sure.
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Roland
Ron Holmgren Damn that looks fine. And mushroom soup. Slurp.
·
Bill
Poore It was all so good, then we fought over the film Stonewall, (he did not
invite me to go with a group because he knows I hate bad films, he said Charles
and I are snobs.)
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Roland
Ron Holmgren I watch every gay film good or bad, plus, while I read reviews, I
don't let them influence what I watch. If I did, I would have missed out on
some very good plays, TV programs and film.
·
Stephanie Williams I made chili verde burritos
today
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Edgar
Ben Williams Yum we should share chili verde recipes...I have one I've used for
nearly 40 years that people love. I
just use an electric skillet these days... I have a big cast iron skillet and a
cover that Ive had for over 40 years so long I can't remember where I even got
it...Its well-seasoned and had many a dinner cooked in it. I also have a flat
round skillet... I like for grilled sandwiches or pancakes. They are heavy... I
read somewhere that cooking with cast iron gives you all your daily iron you
need because it leeches into whatever you cook.
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Benedgar
Kent maybe you could post a comment on GMA about Home teachers... do a little
recap for those who attended and an overview for those who didn't and how to
get a hold of you... I think that would be helpful and perhaps save some time
at the Oct 5 meeting
·
Kent
Ben, I'll do an explanation/recap when I get home this evening of the
Triad/homoteaching concept.
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Benedgar
Alan Anderson agreed to help moderate and said he had name tags he could bring
... Maybe that a good ideal as big as the group is... I suggested the weekend
before all come over here for dinner and we can get a war plan going... I also emailed Dennis McCracken about needing
a larger a bigger space.... Now that Alan agreed I will post the event ...
Maybe each group discussion we ask a member to help moderate so doesn't seem
like we are a Triumvirate
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Kent
Ben and Charles, Here is my recap/explanation of the Homo-Teaching concept for
GMA. Please take a look it and make any changes before I send it to the
Facebook page. Thanks, Kent Hello
Everyone, Monday night we introduced the idea of Homo-Teaching as part of the
Service Component for Gay Men Aloud (GMA).
The idea is to put the men who volunteer as Homo-Teachers will be
assigned to groups of three or a Triad. The responsibility of a Homo-Teacher is
to contact or touch base with the other two people in your Triad at least twice
a month. The goal is for the people in your group to have contact with their
Homo-Teachers in between official GMA meetings. If there is a need for one of
the men in a Triad, we are asking that the Homo-Teachers try to fill that need.
For example, a ride to a doctor appointment or a ride to one of the bi-monthly
GMA meetings. Being part of a Triad is voluntary and not a requirement for GMA.
We do feel that it is a great way to provide service to the members of GMA.
Also, Homo-Teacher assignments will be made geographic area. I'll be talking
about this briefly at our next meeting October 5th and then make assignments
after that meeting. If you have any
questions, please contact me via a private message. Thanks. Kent
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Charles
Lynn Looks good. I think we three need to hear and incorporate what Jim Hill
requested. We can do this in our next two Establishing Groups. Small groups of 3
and reporting back out to the larger group. Very effective training too, used
by many successful presenters. It's call small group discussion transition to
large group reporting back.
·
Kent
I did like Jim's suggestion and I thinks it's a good idea for the Establishing
Groups, but would we use this beyond the initial meetings? Or as needed moving
forward? Just asking.
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Charles
Lynn I think we three need to plan our next two establishing groups to
incorporate the small group discussion. We could throw out 2 BIG questions, and
have groups of 3 discuss for 7 minutes, then 1 person from the group report
back out to the larger group for 90 seconds. The ideas may be similar, but we
will also get tremendous diverse suggestions. Also it helps small groups bond
and share, just as Jim indicated. Please plan on having this technique in your
presentation, I will do so as well.
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Kent
Sounds good. I do like the concept.
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Charles
Lynn Full and Cropped Versions for your use. Brand fonts. Please use only these
for brand identification and recognition. Arial, Tahoma, or Verdana
23 September 2015 Wednesday
My hot tub guy came out this morning at 9 the
same time Amazon Called me about my missing order. Why is it when you are
expecting a service man over that at the same time you get a phone call for
another problem that has to be taken care of immediately? Murphy Law.. The hot
tub repair guy came out right at the same time Amazon called me about a lost
order that I had called in about...then trying to deal with barking dogs on top
of that made for an exciting morning...but the hot tub is heating now...needed
a new heat pump...and I decided to buy a new cover for it since the old one is
getting shabby and is kind of broken... So Kyle G. Daniels, yes, the hot tub is
back in business. Hot tub needed a heat pump but all is well now and I ordered
a new cover which all together was $775... My tech guy said the seal was broken
which caused it to absorb water making it harder to lift...it's palomino in color
to match my cedar fence.... It will support 200 lbs. so the dogs all sleeping
in this one won't break it... It amazes me that so many have their panties in a
bunch about the new Stonewall movie when no one made a peep about this movie
from 20 years ago where the main protagonist is a Gay White kid... not unlike
this new movie. It’s a movie, not a documentary. I find it odd that people who
were not even alive in 1969 have such strong opinion on the film...No matter
what the PC of today is... Stonewall was about the oppression of homosexuals
not gender identity. Even the Drag Queens of the time identified with being
homosexuals. More people were concerned at that time with being busted for Gay
sex than wearing a dress. Even still...without the leftist radical homosexuals
youth movement who organized after the riots Stonewall would have been just a
footnote in history. The importance of Stonewall was the emergence of the Gay
Liberation Front and the Gay Activist Alliance. Only our Constitution keeps
radical Christian terrorist from doing the same here although they advocate it.
Patriarchal religions attack women and men they perceive to take the role of
women. These people are monsters not animals... animals do not take pleasure in
killing their own. ISIS executed 9 Gay
men and a youth. Bill Poore invited me to attend with him... I am so excited...
Going the 22nd! It's astounding Time is
fleeting Madness takes its toll... Yogi Bera died today Not a sports fan but he
was a legend... even had a cartoon character named after him Yogi Bear
·
Bill
Poore So Seth posted a review of Stonewall....I already know the story is
bullshit but the review written as trans friendly review says we all know that
the people were Drags, trans and Lesbians, no mention of white gay boys at all. The review is totally offensive to me, it is
in no way objective like a review should be....Please tell him the review is
more like propaganda out of a radical trans site....total bullshit review.
·
Me-
it’s his generation
·
Bill
Poore-never mind I already did tell him.
·
Me-
I haven’t seen his post yet but will comment when I get to it
·
Bill
Poore- by the way the review really trashes the film itself, but I know You
will enjoy it because you will pretending John Cunningham is sitting next to
you and you have transported yourself back to 1969 and love.
·
Me-Yep
·
Bill-I
think Samy Galvez called you a whinny bitch on your post on fb unless he is
calling Chuck a whiney bitch.
·
Me-Who
cares
·
Bill-
You totally handled it wrong....you simply should have said " but I am
blanche, I am a whiney bitch"......I mean you should wear that like a
badge of courage. I didn't know Mike was
brown.
·
Me-
What are you a racist? People have to be brown to be New Mexican?
·
Stephanie
Williams Hi Ben, good morning. I like to cook too. Yesterday I used a pork
roast and cubed it. We had gotten a good buy on it at COSTCO. but I have also
used other cuts, this is just what I had on hand. put it in the Dutch oven that
was preheated with a bit of olive oil. The meat was fairly lean so there was
not much renderings. I added one BIG Mayan sweet onion after the meat was
seared. After the onion was translucent I added several finely minced cloves of
fresh garlic. We like garlic, so I did not hold back, ha! I added sea salt,
fresh ground pepper, cumin and a little oregano. Spices added to taste. I
rarely follow a recipe, hum wonder where I got that. Then I added in about 10
chopped, just roasted off the fire Anaheim/Hatch chilies that were cleaned and
seeded. Also 1.5 just roasted cleaned and seeded chopped jalapeno chilies.
Poured some water to cover, simmered for about 3-4 hrs. It was slightly thick
but I did add just a little wonder flower mixed with water to the pot at the
conclusion to finalize the consistency. I have used some cornstarch and water
before in prior Chile concoctions. A little different than how my mom made
her's, she put potato in her's, which I like too. She used her deep cast iron skillet
and I have it packed away somewhere until I get more room. The Dutch oven makes
everything really tender and juicy. Have a great day Ben! Pork is cheap here
now, compared to beef or chicken so I have been trying to make a few more meals
with that.
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Benedgar
Mine is similar... I use any cheap cut of pork and if there's a lot of fat I
trim that off and cut into cubes add garlic salt and a little cumin and render
it down to cracklin...U cube my meat and coat it with white pepper. cumin,
garlic salt before i brown it with a couple of tablespoon of lard (olive
healthier but I like the flavor) chop up an onion Spanish or sweet not red, cook until onions are translucent...
then I coat it all with flour then chop up two or three tomatoes fine or (can
of diced tomatoes, two cans of hatches green chilies, throw it all together and
add enough water until it looks soupy...then just simmer until it’s the consistency
of thin gravy... I am not skimpy on the cumin... The tomatoes cook down and
gives the chili verde an orange, brown coloring... I got this recipe when I
worked for a cook back in the 1970's from a Mexican who used jalapenos instead
of green chilies which I preferred. He would also add in the pork cracklin also
for added flavor...
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Stephanie
YUMM! I am hungry now, think I will go make a burrito for breakfast! LOL
·
Benedgar
It really is good and Michael Romero said it was better than the green chili that his mother made... I think
the tomatoes give a robust flavor without being tomatoey at all... I like the
fresh garlic thing but Fortino taught me
to massage the white pepper, garlic salt and cumin into the meat before
browning it to infuse the flavors. I use to roast my own green chilies because
I have a gas stove but Hatches is just as good. I buy the whole and dice it
myself.
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Stephanie
I will give that ago next batch I make.
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Benedgar
I would use at least a teaspoon or ground cumin for every lb. of pork for good
flavor
·
Stephanie
Thats a pretty good rule of thumb. I also heard from a cooking guy to brown the
cumin first in a pan, I haven't tried that though
·
Benedgar
I might try that too might enhance the flavor
·
Stephanie
Thats what he said. It was on a cooking show.
I did take the tip on searing the meat, then taking it out and cooking
the onions in the renderings, after onions cooked add garlic on my last roast
beef. It came out delicious and tender. I have been catching a few cooking
videos now and then. I am looking forward to cooler weather so I can bake some
more. I have some really cute Halloween cupcakes I want to make
·
Benedgar
Fall is the time to bake for sure.. How’s
David and the twins doing? Is David adjusting to college life?
·
Stephanie
David is doing fantastic and may be ready to transfer later this year. He is a
great young man. And the twins turned 9 mos., getting big!
24 September 2015 Thursday
Just got home about 9:00 from taping a segment
for James Dabakis Sunday Morning UP Utah Progressive show... I met two really
fun and exciting teachers there Michael Payne and this woman named Dominique
McCarthy Aragon ... Michael teaches at a charter school for the performing arts
and Dominique teaches at St Anne's Catholic School and I represented public
schools although retired.. First time I actually missed teaching talking to
these individuals.. I guess I don't miss teaching but I miss being with teachers...
Being on the show reminded me of the good times Becky Moss and I had doing
Concerning Gays and Lesbians all those many years ago on KRCL. I was really taken by Michael Payne. He’s a
Texan who taught mostly in Oklahoma before moving to Utah to teach drama. We
just clicked and he put his phone number in my phone so we can stay in touch.
Is anyone but me having Big Brother withdrawals? Summer is over for me when Big
Brother ends.
·
Bill
Poore when is UP on?
·
Edgar
Ben Williams Sunday 9:30 am
·
Patricia
Ann Jarvis Patricia Ann Jarvis I watched it last Sunday - it was great.
·
Chuck
Whyte Did they have you sit in a fancy chair for hair and makeup.....
·
Alan Anderson I'm ready for my closeup, Mr
DeMille
·
Maureen
Aisling Duffy-Boose Can't wait to see it!
·
Becky
Moss Good job Ben!
·
Chuck
Whyte Damn damn, I forgot to watch it, will it be repeated
·
Patricia
Ann Jarvis Ben, you did a great job this morning!
·
Edgar
Ben Williams Thanks I didn't watch it...
·
Me
to Bill Poore-I am a democratic drawbridge I will go down before any man How
did teaching go today?
·
Bill
Poore It was actually really good. I did
a good job, I could tell the kids liked me.
I slapped the punks around a little and made the class laugh a lot. we did some good work. Xan just talked to me
and said after surgery today he might need me again Tues...he thinks it might
take longer to heal than he expected. I
told him sure. It was a good break, it also reminded me how good I was. How are
you. Did you watch any of the Holy Father today...I deleted two Mormon friends
on their comments on the pope,...just can’t handle their bullshit.
·
Me-Did
not watch any of the Pope but hear it was good ... Jim Dabakis asked me to be
on his show and we taped tonight ... I met a teacher named Michael Payne that I
am smitten with... He's a Texan like me
·
Bill
Poore did you start to want onion rings, or just to suck him off?
·
Me-Can't
I want both?
·
Bill
Poore - I watched the Pope before Congress, it was very moving. He was like a gentle teacher reminding all of
their roots, their purposes. Actually some of them except the Utah delegation
was humbled. He is really impressive
. You could see they were in the
presence of greatest, it cheapened all the politicians, he reminded them what
their real job was.
·
Me-I
hope they listened but their God is money and power
·
Kent
I know this is late and I'm sorry. Here is the list of additional points off
discussion that were mentioned during Charles' presentation: Inexpensive/Free activities • Family care
giving (parent, spouse, child. etc.) • Careers/supplemental income • Life
stories from GMA members • An evening on Broadway There were a couple of others
listed but we discussed last night (nutrition and physical/mental wellness)
·
Benedgar
Oral histories was one of the topics that people to be voting for. Dennis has
confirmed our use of the small chapel for October 19th. The Gym is all booked
from 6 pm on all through Oct and Nov
·
Kent
Perfect. Thanks Ben. I was going to approve Todd's request to join GMA.
·
Charles
Lynn How many will the little chapel hold? Does it allow us circular seating or
jew chairs/pews? Storytelling or My Story resonates much more than oral
histories with the general public. Just an FYI
·
Benedgar
Stories are oral histories... That is the nature of storytelling as opposed to
written history... The chapel is big but with pews and a stain glass back
drop I took a class from Dr Gary
Shumway in 1971 who originated the
concept of oral histories when traditionally history was confined to documents
and written histories... It's history in the broadest sense
25 September 2015 Friday
Had a few people over for Friday dinner. We
were going to watch a movie but we sat outside on the veranda where it was
cooler and just visited. I Had Bill Poore, Alan Anderson, Kyle G. Daniels, Kent
Scadlock, and Robert Edward Cross over. Rob brought some delicious peanut
butter cookies...I made polish sausage and cabbage, sauté summer squash, baked
beans, Mormon funeral potatoes, a Greek salad, and a blueberry scone...if
people went away hungry it's not my fault... Lots of fun conversations... I
never met Rob before but he’s part of the Gay Men Aloud group so I wanted to
start meeting men from there. He was embarrassed because he showed up early but
since I had been cooking all day it was no big deal. He’s somewhere in his mid
or late 50’s and had only been out a couple of years. Had been married with a
couple of kids. Typical of our generation. He said he was from Magna originally
and said the only person I knew from Magna was little old sweet Betsy Larson who’s
been gone at least 15 or more years now and then he said that he knew Betsy
well because his mother lived across the street from her. What a small world.
The rest started trickling in and at first Bill Poore wasn’t going to come
thinking I would be over whelmed with so many people but I told him to get his
butt over here and he had a great time especially when Kent and he reminisced about their time in Greenwich
Village NYC. It was a really nice get together and after Bill and Rob left
about 8:30 the rest wanted to soak our old bones in the hot tub... It was a
Pleasant evening and the moon was so bright...we had 5 dogs here and they were
all well behaved ... corky was jumping to have his picture taken ... However I
know Kyle wanted to stay longer and have sex with me since Alan and he came in
separate vehicles but Alan wanted him to come and help him with Bhanni and
Corky so we were blue balled again.
·
Me
to Bill Poore Kyle and Alan are coming over to watch a movie and dinner this
evening... want to come over for dinner even if you don’t want to stay for the
movie? Probably going to watch Casablanca...Kent Scadlock will be coming too.
Cabbage and Polish Sausages, funeral potatoes, buttered summer squash, baked
beans, for dinner
·
Bill
Poore-Sure, what time u want me to bring a pie?
·
Me-
I made a blueberry scone so don't need to bring anything but your hearing Aid
about 6 o'clock... That is when Kent is coming ... Alan is bringing Corky and
Bhanni for play date. Bob Cross from GMA is coming to dinner too... So will be
Bob, Kent, Alan, Kyle, and you.
·
Me-Change
of plans ... Let's go Sunday to Gunnison instead of tomorrow... Greg Allen
wants to see Stonewall with me and Sat is the best day for him...
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Bill
Poore- ok isn't your tv show Sunday.
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Me-
At 9:30 but just the first 10 minutes
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Bill-
ok see u sun at 10
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Patricia
Jarvis Ben, may I have your polish sausage and cabbage recipe?
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Benedgar
Oh it’s so simple... fry up a little bacon maybe two or three strips until
crumbly ..keep the grease... Cut up a head of cabbage throw in a crock pot, add
a small can of sauerkraut, thow in the bacon bits and grease (just about 2
tbsp) just for flavor... I just buy the smoked or polish sausages... chop them
in round slices (I like to brown them to bring out the flavor and the throw in
crockpot) Salt and Pepper to taste... (If you like caraway feeds a little bit
helps with the flavor but I don’t use for company) Just cook for about 3-4
hours stir once in a while to bring the bottom up to the top. Makes a big
dish... If just for two or three use just a half a head. Sauerkraut is one on the best natural
probiotic there is better than yogurt for getting the good bacteria back into
your stomach. People think it strange that I am Southern and eat Sauerkraut but
I think lots of Southerners do. My east
Texas Grandpa had it with almost all his suppers. I didn't like it until I was
well grown LOL... Play with the recipe... its crockpot simple especially with
cooler weather coming on... Cabbage, sauerkraut, bacon, polish or smoked sausage
[Hillshire is good and on sale a lot] and that’s it... I have never done it
with red cabbage... the cabbage cooks down do no liquid is needed. I hope you
enjoy it...
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Patricia
Thanks a million, Ben. It sounds delish!
I'll get out my old crockpot.
26 September 2015 Saturday
I swear Beelzebub and his minions have invaded
my house. I've swatted over 20 flies in the house and two little bastards land
in my coffee this morning. Ugh Well I got home about 11:30 pm from an exciting
but unexpected night. I went and saw Stonewall this afternoon at 3 pm with some
friends, Greg Allen, his boyfriend, John Crapeau and David Andreassen ... We
all enjoyed it and thought the whiners are full of crap...I don’t get this crap
about white washing unless you say a lie enough people will believe it... The
story is about a kid from Indiana who gets kicked out of his home by a
homophobic father. He heads to NYC where he hopes to get into Columbia and he
lands in the village during the summer of 1969. The first people he meets and
befriends him is a character not unlike Sylvia Rivera as part of the street
kids and Marsha P Johnson is introduced immediately. The only people who seemed
white were the Mattachine Society organizers. People of Color are shown being
arrested and do the runway walk to the paddy wagon, Marsha P Johnson is shown
fighting the cops, a lesbian is shown escaping from a squad car and yelling for
help from the street crowd. The riot is in progress when the white boy throws a
brick to alert the cops that Ed Murphy was escaping not to start the riot and
that was for dramatic effect... NO ONE KNOWS EXACTLY what happened. The riot
was spontaneous not planned... The story is about this kid from Indiana and how
oppressive society was at the time, who happens to be on Christopher Street at
the time of the riot. Much of the movie is his back story in high school, and
his family, and even after the riot... The film is a narrative art form not a
documentary ... At the end the principle historical characters in the event are
mentioned first and foremost Marsha P Johnson... My main objection was how
dialog was put in peoples conversations to explain the times to people who
never heard of Stonewall and I can see it was necessary to education a whole
generation who want to reinterpret the event for their own political
purposes... whether you agree with the directors version of Stonewall or not
quit dismissing it as a homosexual revolt that established the Gay Liberation
Front which within weeks and within six months was on all major campuses of
both the East and West Coasts and it was the radical youth movement that
established the Gay Rights movement of the 1970's. Those who benefited from all
the heavy lifting to enjoy not being criminalized and institutionalized should
be more respectful of people who lived through it. I just barely got home from that when Jim
Dabakis called and asked me to go see Fiddler On the a Roof with him at Pioneer
Memorial Theater tonight...of course I said YES! But had to change, feed the
dogs, and rush downtown to pick up Jim...his hubby was not feeling well and I
am a perfect escort...Jim was hungry so we ate at this Sawadee Thai place on
South Temple...delicious Spring Rolls and then we hustled up to the U. Jim had
front row seats and I just loved the performances especially the dancing boys
The dancing Jewish boys and Russians were gorgeous ... Wow... It was a
fantastic evening but one completely unplanned. Bill Poore on FB said “You are like
a cheap call service, you don’t ever have to buy a ticket to anything.....The
last time I saw Fiddler was in NYC starring Zero Mostel in one of his last
revivals just before he died. He was so tired in the show, he just went through
the paces. It was still great seeing him in the part however....he was a
classic. I have vacillated in the Salt Lake City Mayor race ... Leaning mostly
with Ralph Becker's supporters but I finally decided to vote for Jackie
Biskupski... The ad listing LGBT supporters for Ralph struck a raw nerve... It
smacked of pandering to the A-list group who sit in the VIP section at Pride
Day and may be in the community but are not of the community...secondly I keep
going back to what Harvey Milk said that we must elect Gay people not just
allies... We must elect our people who will have skin in the game...we cannot
rely on others to do what we should be doing for ourselves...I remember once as
a delegate this straight woman came up and asked the Gay delegates to not make
wave and just trust that these straight people would look out for us... BS I
don't agree with Biskupski's cozy arrangement with the Unified Police
Department but the police department under Becker has not been without its
issues...
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Roland
Ron Holmgren I thought the same thing when I saw the list of supporters for
Becker. But I can't vote....
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Douglas
Cartier I was pretty disgusted with that letter. I had planned on voting for
Jackie anyway, but reading that, just cemented my vote for her.
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Clyde Peck Trujillo The only thing that op ed
did was praise Becker for his past support. However, you cannot compare two
candidates based upon the past actions of one. Let's look at what either can
bring to the future if they want to compare and be fair about it. Many of these
A-listers were of no help when it came to helping Restore get things done.
Supporting Jackie!
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Edgar
Ben Williams whoever gets elected will serve the city well...they both love
this place
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Bill
Poore to me: This is a picture of me in 1969 and what I looked like walking
around the Village. I could have very
well been the kid in the film Stonewall. I do know I was hit on a lot. I was not sure what all that meant but I
liked it. Hey, defend me against Seth on his post about the Stonewall.....I
called him a whippersnapper and was going to take him over my knee. He said us
seniors have to get over ourselves.
·
Me-LOL
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Bill-He
said the new boy is town story is dull.
I told him you loved the new boy in town sex scenes....
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Me-This is what I wrote: I don’t get this crap about white washing
unless you say a lie enough people will believe it... The story is about a kid
from Indiana who gets kicked out of his home by a homophobic father. He heads
to NYC where he hopes to get into Columbia and he lands in the village during
the summer of 1969. The first people he meets and befriends him is a character
not unlike Sylvia Rivera as part of the street kids and Marsha P Johnson is
introduced immediately. The only people who seemed white were the Mattachine
Society organizers. People of Color are shown being arrested and do the runway
walk to the paddy wagon, Marsha P Johnson is shown fighting the cops, a lesbian
is shown escaping from a squad car and yelling for help from the street crowd.
The riot is in progress when the white boy throws a brick to alert the cops
that Ed Murphy was escaping not to start the riot and that was for dramatic
effect... NO ONE KNOWS EXACTLY what happened. The riot was spontaneous not
planned... The story is about this kid from Indiana and how oppressive society
was at the time, who happens to be on Christopher Street at the time of the
riot. Much of the movie is his back story in high school, and his family, and
even after the riot... The film is a narrative art form not a documentary ...
At the end the principle historical characters in the event are mentioned first
and foremost Marsha P Johnson... My main objection was how dialog was put in
peoples conversations to explain the times to people who never heard of
Stonewall and I can see it was necessary to education a whole generation who
want to reinterpret the event for their own political purposes... whether you
agree with the directors version of Stonewall or not quit dismissing it as a
homosexual revolt that established the Gay Liberation Front which within weeks
and within six months was on all major campuses of both the East and West
Coasts and it was the radical youth movement that established the Gay Rights
movement of the 1970's. Those who benefited from all the heavy lifting to enjoy
not being criminalized and institutionalized should be more respectful of
people who lived through it.
27 September 2015 Sunday
Just returned from a day trip to Gunnison to
see Kyle and so Bill Poore could look up his dead relatives. I guess the Mormon
Funeral Potatoes inspired him. It was a Beautiful day for a drive. I don’t know
whether Kyle was expecting me or not but as always the time went by too fast.
He told me more about his cooking class and I filled him in on things on the
outside. We talked about Big Brother and how happy he was that Steve won. LOL.
He said the survey from UPAN was the first one received and he made copies to
hand out to his fellow inmates. I told him that Jim Dabakis and I talked about
the Parole Board and he said he was going to try and get them on is UP program.
I hugged him deeply when the time was up and met up with Bill about 2:15.
Because it was such a beautiful day we came home through Manti, Ephraim, and
Mount Pleasant so we could see the leaves changing color and then headed back
down Spanish Fork Canyon... It was almost 275 miles of driving but saw some
really pretty country. I love the fall here in Utah. Bill and I talked about
John Cunningham a lot during our day trip and it made me a little melancholy.
While feeding the dogs and sitting on the veranda, I see this squirrel leaping from tree branch
to tree branch starting with globe willows all the way across the poplars on
the west side... Never used to see squirrels but the trees are a great place to
hide. I sat in the hot tub for a bit still melancholy so went out to see the
Super Red Moon but it was too overcast so went to bed. I was living in
California at the time of the last one in 1982 and it amazed me because instead
of see the moon as a flat 2 dimensional disc it truly looked like a huge ball
in the sky.... It was a weird sensation. I guess I will look again in 2033.
Hard to be depressed when dogs snuggle up to you and adore you with their
eyes... Last night I was missing someone long time dead now and Lucky laid in
my arms and gave me doggy kisses and brought me back to the now and how grateful
I am to still do some good in this temporary world.
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Roland
Ron Holmgren So true.
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Alan Anderson I was sick yesterday and yelled
at Corky early in the morning. He was being his usual kissy face boy. Kyle took
him away from Grumpy. But later in the day, he came back to me as if nothing
had happened. Dogs forgive quite easily, and love unconditionally.
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Edgar
Ben Williams A lesson we should learn... But hard to believe that Corky could
be a bad boy
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Alan
Anderson You are the one who originally called him a bad boy. Don't act all
innocent with me!! LOL
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Edgar
Ben Williams Well I calls 'em as I sees 'em ... But who doesn't love a bad boy?
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Benedgar
I just got home from Gunnison and heard Charles’ message. I must have heard
wrong but I thought October was going to be Charles’ month and although Alan,
Kent and I are going to lead the group discussions I thought Charles was supposed
to give the welcoming opening and tell that group what we are doing and the
topic for the night before breaking into
smaller groups. Charles if you would
rather just sit out this session that is cool... I just thought you would want
to participate at the opening and closing
but it’s okay with me ... I am fine with that and I am sure Kent is too
if you need a breather. Let me know
what you want and if you want me to remove your name from the event all
together just let me know... super easy... Hope everyone had a great day
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Charles
Lynn I'm more than happy to welcome and greet and do a topical set up, but then
you two and Alan go for it. I'll improvise the end if you need me. I have a
feeling it'll unfold very organically, with questions for small groups and
large group report outs. How's that. I'll do Oct #2 as a solo Presentation and
open up for group discussion and I'll wrap #2 up. That's what I thought we'd
planned for these first two establishing sessions. Correct me both of you--if
I'm wrong or bit recollecting right.
28 September 2015 Monday
I lounged around a lot this morning
accomplishing nothing until I went out this afternoon to shop for a new doggy
door...after 4 years of four dogs running in and out this one is pretty shot
and as cooler and even cold weather is around you the corner better take care
of it now.. I went to Lowes and paid $60 for the same kind that Kyle put in
back in 2011. It was letting a lot of air in. I didn’t mind so much in the
summer but as winter is around the corner certainly need to seal it up. I was
also looking for end of summer patio furniture but they were still too much. I
made the mistake of going over to Walmart across the street and they didn’t
have any furniture but they did have tulip bulbs really cheap so I bought three
packages however at the checkout the cashier rang up five and because Walmart
doesn’t allow its cashiers to take care of overrings I spent a ½ hour in
customer service line to get my refund… Ugh! Serves me right. After that I went
down to Redwood Road Clinic and had some labs done for Dr. Stoneburner when I
see him this Friday. I Ended up havening to wait there too but at least there
was a really handsome nurse assistant to look at to entertain me. From there I
went to DI ad bought some t-shirts, candles, a cute old fashioned Santa Head
cookie jar and other sundry things. After
that I came home took a nap and then took Coco home. Mike is coming over
Friday to winterize his camper and move the shelf in the garage to the back
yard so he can part his truck there this winter and just use my Sonoma truck.
We are going to pick up my hot tub cover also I suppose and he’s going to ask
about saunas while there at Soapers. In the evening I worked in Billy
Bikowski’s genealogy finding his mother’s maiden name and working on it some.
Billy is a 100 percent Pole on both sides of his family. I think when you loved
someone, really loved someone, you always remember their birthday. Happy
Birthday Billy Bikowski where ever you may be... You will always be my "0h
no!" Boy full of adventures and calamities... In my heart you will always
be 25 years old...
·
Erick
Myers Billy touched many lives here two or three decades ago...
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Robert
Smith peace, harmony and fond memories my friend. (hugs)
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Benedgar
Sounds perfect ... I think people enjoy your energy and would want to have you
open the very first real meeting ... Alan is excited to help... Any suggestions
on how to divide group into 3rds? By
birthday months by with 1st initial? By just 123 ? I think the more random the
better to mix it up... Thoughts? It's a
week from today... Charles do you still want me to take your name off for 0ct 5
so not to confuse anyone?
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Charles
Lynn No, I am fine, since I will be welcoming, doing a quick opener, and
possibly closing (depending on time limitations.) Leave my name on, now that I
am actually participating is one way. How about favorite cuisines to divide
people? Mexican, Italian, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, French, American, etc. If
you want me to do that as the warm up, it could save time for the valuable
small group and large group discussion. Let me go with that and get your all
your groups before you hand out the discussion questions. Sound good? Also, did
anyone discover the way to do a Facebook Survey, so we can put all our topics
we came up with, plus the ones suggested at meeting #1, for a CHECK THE BOX
vote? We may have to create a hard copy of that to take for those who don't do
FB, for the meeting, allowing them to fill it out. We will have to take the
time to tabulate (which is a pain, but some refuse to join.) Let me know.
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Kent
As far as dividing the group into thirds, I think it needs to as random as
possible as well. All of your suggestions accomplish that. So Ben you choose.
Charles, Ben posted the survey last week. I just did the survey and made a
comment so it should be at the top of the GMA feed.
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Charles
Lynn Thank you I'll check it out. Sorry for not visiting the site every day. Ben,
please send a final agenda for next Monday, timeline, and who is doing what,
and what that is. Thank you. I now see the survey. Many of the topics we had on
our initial list are missing. Did you feel it was too much to put 20 up, or
will we do second list later? Thanks for getting it up Ben, makes us appear as
though we listened well and acted quickly.
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Benedgar
Everything on your list was put up but in sections because the site only lets
you do only so many at a time. Go back
to the page and scroll down and you will see them all Here is an alphabetized
Membership list...GMA MEMBERSHIP LIST 21 September 2015
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A:Michael
Aaron Owner and Publisher at QSaltLake, Kelly Albers-Lowe Salt Lake City, Utah,
Greg Allen Mortgage Document Specialist at Residential Real-estate Review, Alan
Anderson Works at Central Bonds & Insurance Agency, Inc, David Andreason
Colorist/Stylist at Salon NV, Joel Applegate Lewis & Clark College, Loki A
Bear Asgard Salt Lake City, Utah
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B:David
Baker Weber State University 1988, David J Barker Owner, CEO & Founder at
Business Bookkeeping, LLC, Ron Barness Solar Business Developer at Alpenglow
Solar, Brent Barron, Todd Bennett, Michael Berry Works at Does it really
matter? I support myself, Todd Bertagnolli Stylist Extraordinaire at Salon
Zazou, Charles H Bigo Salt Lake City,
Utah, Kirk Birkle Instructional Designer at American Express, John Bonner
Therapist at VOA's Cornerstone Counseling Center, Jason Bowcutt Works at Utah
Division of Arts & Museums, Lon Breeden Customer Service Representative
(CSR) at DoTERRA International, Chad Brewer University of Utah, Brad Burningham
Health and Safety Specialist at United States Post Office, Leland Burns Salt
Lake City, Utah, Randy Burks Butt Crack University, Brandon Burt Managing
Editor at Salt Lake City Weekly, Kelly Byrnes Operations Specialist at CAP
Logistics
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C:Rainey
Campbell East High School, Brad Case Owner at Cometz Handyman Services, LLC, Beau
Chaine' Director at Aardvarks David Chapin Staples Motley High School Kim
Childs University of Utah Richard Clegg Works at Joyously retired Doyle
Clayburn Works at Retired, Patrick B Coats The Barber School, John Crepeau
Chaplain at Millcreek Home Health and Hospice, Robert Edward Cross Salt Lake
Community College, Jahn Curran Thunderbird School of Global Management
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D:
David Daniels Photographer at Dav.d photography Kyle G. Daniels Westminster College, Billy Day, Steven E Dunn
Associate Dean, School of Education at Newman University
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E:
Mitchell Eddards Utah, Parley Edwards Davis Applied Technology College, Richard
Esta. David Estes The University of Utah,
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F:
Dan Fahndrich Northrup Institute of Technology Ryan Fischer The University of
Utah Tom Folks retired Karl Frazier BYU (Brigham Young University) Charles Lynn
Frost BYU (Brigham Young University)
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G:
Eric Garner The University of Utah, George Garff University of Utah, Tom Gosse
Works at Zarbee's, Danilo Granados Salt Lake City, Utah, Bob Guymon
President/Owner at Thomas Travel - President & owner
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H:
Ryan Hales Clinical Support Manager at Vista Imaging Services, inc. Guy Hanna
Salt Lake City, Utah Chad Hansen University of Utah Richard Harmston University
of Michigan Larry Herndon Jim Hill University of Utah Kevin Clair Hillman Works
at US Postal Service Steve Hirchak Midvale, Utah Roland Ron Holmgren Works at
TURN Community Services Appio Hunter Works at Self-Employed
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I:
Steven Ireland University of Utah
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J:
Ken Jarrell The University of Utah, Duane Jennings Medical Billing Specialist
at University Medical Billing, Kent Jensen Spanish Fork High, Brian Johnson
SUSC Paul Johnson Joshua Jonas Kent Jones Associate Director of Press at Ballet
West
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K:
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L:
Lyle Larsen Salt Lake City, Utah Preston Larsen Medication Therapy Management
Team at Veridicus Rx Darren Lauber Consultant at SirsiDynix Mark Lawrence
Director at Restore Our Humanity Matthew J. Lyon Salt Lake City, Utah
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Mc:
Ron McCormick Salt Lake City, Utah Dennis McCracken Church Administrator at
First Baptist Church Robert McIntier Idaho State University Eric McGraw Actor
at Myself
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M
Mike Markus College of Hard Knocks Brent V. Marrott Utah Valley University Steve
Mathews Interior Design Consultant at Self-Employed Troy Mitchell Jerry Monson
Snow College, Utah State University Brian Morris Courtney Moser Works at Matrons of Mayhem Steve Moser North Hollywood High School Daniel Musto Salt
Lake City, Utah
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N
Dug Nielsen Starbucks Manager at Smith's Food and Drug Stores
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O
Craig Ogan Sales at Retired Roger Max Olbrot Director of Education at
Myotherapy College of Utah Scott Olds Software trainer at Navitaire Ruadhan
O'Sheridan Works at The University of Utah
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P
Berry Payne Office management at Salt Lake Trolley Tours Chuck Payne Usher at
Salt Lake County Center for the Arts Clyde Peck Trujillo Product Manager at
Queen of Wraps Stan Peck-Trujillo Salt Lake City, Utah Joseph Pemberton Scott
Perry Salt Lake City, Utah Marty Pollock Retired 8/1/2011 at Comcast Bill Poore
University of Utah Kennedy Price Sandy, Utah
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R
Todd Randall Salt Lake City, Utah Joe Redburn University of Wyoming Tim
Richards General Manager at Arby's David Richards Salt Lake City, Utah Kevin
Riddle Channel Sales Manager at CenturyLink
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S
David Salazar Added by Charles Lynn Frost about 2 months ago Drew Sanders
Marketing specialist/senior graphic designer at SecurityNational Mortgage
Company Michael Sanders Owner at Now and Again Kent Scadlock HR Manager at
University of Utah Kevin Scott Bon Vi•vant Ne'er-do-well Musician at Hard
Knocks Tom Shoemake Front Desk Manager at Baymont Inn & Suites Brian Slaugh
Mark Sorenson Utah State University F Scott Smith The University of Utah Ron
Steckler Library Consultant/trainer at SirsiDynix Kip Swan Associate Broker at
White Swan Team, Salt Lake Real Estate Experts, Keller Williams Salt Lake
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T
Bill Taylor [John Cooper] Danny Thomas Works at Intermountain Homecare &
Hospice Douglas Cartier Tollstrup The University of Utah Bob Tubbs Account
Executive at Aware media
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U
Jerry Urlacher Works at Retired
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V
Joel Jay Vallar Works at Salt Lake Regional Medical Center
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W
Jerry Warner Lead Business Systems Analyst at Regence Jeff Weaver Larry Webb
University of Utah Doug White Associate Broker/Realtor at Keller Williams Salt
Lake City Chuck Whyte Highland High School John Wilkes Ben Williams Teacher at Retired
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X
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Y
Daren Young
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Z
David A. Zabriskie President/Owner at Holysheetmusic.com
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Benedgar
I received this message from Craig Ogan ...I'm going to drop out of the GMA.
It's really not for me. Don't take this as criticism of your efforts, keep up
the good work..... I am okay with that because I don't think this was a right
fit for him anyway and that we are not his tribe...he was kind of snooty when I
suggested that people only post on the site things that are pertinent to Gay
Men and then he made the flippant remark in response to Chucks suggestion that
GMA was already too depressing ... So Bon voyage
29 September 2015 Tuesday
Today is dr. Kristen Ries’ birthday. I have a
visiting squirrel who is hanging out in my trees and I saw him this morning in
the flowering pear tree by my veranda. I guess I need to go buy him some
unsalted peanuts so he can get fat for the coming winter. Made out a membership list for GMA. We have 140 members on FB.
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Charles
Lynn Who was it that offended John Wilkes, so that he removed his post?
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Benedgar
It wasn't John Wilkes it was Chuck Whyte who suggested as a future topic
depression and suicide... Craig Ogan responded that GMA was depressing
enough...and wanted more activities... I suggested he and Brent form an
activity committee... Chuck took offense at Ogan seemingly dismissal of the
suggestion and took off his posting...
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Benedgar
6:30-6:45 Charles will welcome everyone...new comers should be given a flyer...Kent will quickly recap homo teachers...Charles
will do a quick opening to divide people up.
6:45-7:15 Kent, Ben, and Alan will each take a group and lead a
discussion on Maturity, what does it mean individually, as Gay men, and for
GMA7:15-7:30... Quick synopsis of what was discussed...closure group hug 7:30-8:00
Refreshments and socializing Rough outline...
Suggestions, additions, or changes? Then
I will email a final draft to each
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Charles
Lynn Less time for me. Cut that back to create more time for large group
discussion. Please add 10 more minutes to that, we'll need it. Small groups can
take 15 minutes, that'll be adequate and keep the conversations moving. The
large group report back is where the nuggets will flow and fall out. I suggest
25 total minutes for that. I had several say they appreciated our punctuality
and time integrity, and I feel we need to really adhere to that as a reputable
characteristic of GMA. Those are my thoughts, although largely swayed by the
certified presenter and instructional designer in me. Thanks for putting it
together. We also need to capture the nuggets and share on the FB page, as well
as email to the email group. It'll be pearls of great wisdom.
30 September 2015 Wednesday
Couldn’t sleep for some reason and woke up at
2:30 A.M. so I wrote on FB… When I was 14 years old I rode my bicycle from
Garden Grove to Norwalk about 12 miles to see my great grandma Williams Granny
Rose who was out visiting from Texas. I sat with her and had her tell me
stories after stories of her youth in East Texas. She was born in 1876... I
held her hands the whole time because always said her hands were cold probably
because she just liked the affection... I never saw her again and she died
in1973 but I had her transfer her memories to me... I was a very different boy
from all my boy-cousins for sure but I treasure that memory of holding Granny
Roses hands. So ends the month of September the first month of my retirement. I
don’t count the summer because that was still vacation time. I threw peanuts up
on the roof of the hot tub this morning for my squirrelly friend so he doesn't
have to face the dogs...I have to get him fat for the winter...Why is it that
this morning I can whip up two banana bread loaves in 15 minutes and then bake
them while it’s taken me two days to put in this doggy door? Dad would have had
it in within a half an hour. I have been jig sawing and drilling and the hole
was cut by Randy Gile 10 years ago so just having to make it fit... DNA says I
am my father’s son but you couldn't prove it otherwise. Off to Sutherlands to
buy a piece of adhesive tile and to Savers for some baking powder...Need to
whip up some sugar free banana bread too but out of baking powder. I also need
to buy some sunflower seeds for the chattering squirrel who keeps Lucky entertained.
I need a handy man husband...I finally finished putting in the doggie door
after going to Sutherlands for some supplies which I didn’t need after all. Why
should a little project like this take 2 days? Oh yeah ... I am Gay ... But
it's done yay. This is the 3rd one...Randy Gile put in the first one, Kyle
Foote the 2nd, and I did the third...the one Kyle put in was shot to hell with
dogs running in and out had big gaps letting in bugs and flies... This one is
aluminum and I can just replace the flap instead of the whole thing... Home
from the reception at the U of U to announce the HIV Archives to be housed at
the Marriott Library and named in honor of Dr Kristen Ries and Maggie Snyder...
A pretty big turnout of mostly University types, a smattering of AIDS leaders
and a few members of the Gay and Lesbian community... I brought Chuck Whyte
with me and was happy to see Brenda Voisard and her partner and Robert
Austin... I said it's been nearly 25 years since I've been in the same room as
both of them...I visited With Toni Johnson and Stan Penfold some... Stan said I
was looking good for a 64 year old so I said and a half. Lol Inequality is the
root of all evil This from the man who met with Kim Davis and told her to be
strong... Hypocrite ... Now I remember why there was a Protestant Reformation.
Well confirms that theologians just do not understand the Constitution of the
United States and obeying the laws of the land... Old Frank you almost had me
thinking Papists weren't full of crap. Well Conservatives now have something
they can agree on with this Roman Catholic papist
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Greg
Allen It's bad PR for the pope. But I wonder if he didn't know her full story
and just gave the same "stay strong and keep the faith" message that
others received from him.
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Edgar
Ben Williams Thousands wanted to meet him and he took 15 minutes out of his
schedule to meet with her? His handlers knew the back story... He just flushed
what little respect I had for him down the toilet... Kiss his ring? He can kiss
my Gay ass
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Greg
Allen If we don't hear the Vatican's side of the story soon and some sort of
condemnation of Davis, then I would say you're right. Her team may be spinning
this right now. She's not even Catholic! Maybe he talked some sense to her. We
don't know all that was said.
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Stephanie
Williams He fueled her twisted bullshit.
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Curtis
Jensen Greg I think it's pretty clear they understood exactly what was going
on. If the Pope or the Church thought Kim Davis was merely some benign
religious hero, or a person they wanted to dissuade from her activities the
meeting would have been in the open. They understood exactly what it meant to
meet with her. It reveals the entire trip to be little more than a cynical PR
stunt meant to razzle dazzle the media and public into looking away from the
Church's record pimping out kids to a protected group of child molesters. We
were all played.
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